What The Fuck Do We Do Now?

[Monica Dream]

They protested against Putin too, didn't they? Didn't seem to help tbqh.

The only realistic option is the biting the pillow one and hoping we (individually) live through this.

It's going to take decades to repair (if it's ever repaired); most of us won't see that.

 

[Beebo Brink]

It's going to take decades to repair (if it's ever repaired); most of us won't see that.

I'm not sure that "repair" is even the right word for what lies ahead. The era of a strong, cohesive and democratic U.S. is over. Whatever comes out the other side -- and there always is an other side, eventually -- will be something different. When the fascist Federal government falls, there will no longer be an infrastructure to pull this whole place together. The most likely scenario, to my mind, is an unweaving of the "united" part of the U.S., if not into totally separate countries, perhaps into more of a loose confederation of regions.

But yeah, that probably won't happen for decades, and I won't be around to see that phase.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Link to CBS article

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

They protested against Putin too, didn't they? Didn't seem to help tbqh.

The only realistic option is the biting the pillow one and hoping we (individually) live through this.

It's going to take decades to repair (if it's ever repaired); most of us won't see that.

I predict there will be another civil war, this one being very much unlike the first one. There are just too many firearms owned by both sides for the country to go down with a whimper. Even the military will split, with a majority of its members remembering their oath to support and defend the Constitution while others "just follow orders," however unlawful, from their president.

It's going to be ugly.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

I predict there will be another civil war, this one being very much unlike the first one. There are just too many firearms owned by both sides for the country to go down with a whimper. Even the military will split, with a majority of its members remembering their oath to support and defend the Constitution while others "just follow orders," however unlawful, from their president.

It's going to be ugly.

I'm still betting against a civil war because that requires too much organization that doesn't really exist. During the time of the first civil war you had organized state militias in a way that (mostly) doesn't exist now.

I do think political violence will keep increasing no matter what happens.

 

[Zaida Gearbox]

Impeaching Trump without the votes to remove him from office serves absolutely no purpose. I used to think we just need to hold on until the mid-terms, so we can hopefully get those votes. But, I sincerely doubt there will be mid-term elections.

Though I still lean toward believing that Trump is just a puppet, and Elon is the real evil - though Elon even seems to be getting fed up with Trump.

 

[Jopsy Pendragon]

I predict there will be another civil war, this one being very much unlike the first one. There are just too many firearms owned by both sides for the country to go down with a whimper. Even the military will split, with a majority of its members remembering their oath to support and defend the Constitution while others "just follow orders," however unlawful, from their president.

It's going to be ugly.

Civil war won't break out until after the thug-ocracy finishes subjugating/deporting the easy targets first. When it gets down to slim pickings the persecution engine will turn cannibalistic and they'll start eating their own. Which will create opportunities for powerful schisms to develop.

Those will probably be more evenly matched resulting in a bloody savage civil war. But by that point it'll be long past game over for the rest of us. The left is simply too diverse, disorganized, non-violent and individualistic to be an effective war time opponent.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

...The left is simply too diverse, disorganized, non-violent and individualistic to be an effective war time opponent.

Yes. A civil war would be very disastrous for the left. Not for the reasons the right thinks but because the left is very fractured and the right is nearly 100% united behind one leader.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I'm not sure that "repair" is even the right word for what lies ahead. The era of a strong, cohesive and democratic U.S. is over. Whatever comes out the other side -- and there always is an other side, eventually -- will be something different. When the fascist Federal government falls, there will no longer be an infrastructure to pull this whole place together. The most likely scenario, to my mind, is an unweaving of the "united" part of the U.S., if not into totally separate countries, perhaps into more of a loose confederation of regions.

But yeah, that probably won't happen for decades, and I won't be around to see that phase.

What currency would they use, who would be in charge of the Federal Reserve Bank if such a thing continued to exist, and who would be responsible for existing US sovereign debt?

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

What currency would they use, who would be in charge of the Federal Reserve Bank if such a thing continued to exist, and who would be responsible for existing US sovereign debt?

....these are interesting questions. Are there any modern examples of countries splitting up in the modern era of central banking? I wonder if there is any precedent for this.

 

[Casey Pelous]

...Though I still lean toward believing that Trump is just a puppet, and Elon is the real evil - though Elon even seems to be getting fed up with Trump.

Elmo is 43. Trump is 78.

Trump had a 25 year head start on being evil.

 

[Free]

Elmo is 43. Trump is 78.

Trump had a 25 year head start on being evil.

Uhh, plus 10.

Plus the 9~ months before hatching from his mother's womb, and whatever time it was his father's sperm morphed into existence and minnowed it's way to fertilization.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

I'm still betting against a civil war because that requires too much organization that doesn't really exist. During the time of the first civil war you had organized state militias in a way that (mostly) doesn't exist now.

I do think political violence will keep increasing no matter what happens.

Yep, this is what I meant about it being very different from the first civil war. That war was organized, where this one will be a lot less organized, at least among those being oppressed by the conservative government. There will be a lot of guerrilla warfare.

 

[detrius]

....these are interesting questions. Are there any modern examples of countries splitting up in the modern era of central banking? I wonder if there is any precedent for this.

Czechoslovakia

 

[detrius]

Uhh, plus 10.

Plus the 9~ months before hatching from his mother's womb, and whatever time it was his father's sperm morphed into existence and minnowed it's way to fertilization.

Are you sure he didn't get summoned?

 

[Free]

Are you sure he didn't get summoned?

I avoid that discussion because I don't have a clue what would want to summon him.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

....these are interesting questions. Are there any modern examples of countries splitting up in the modern era of central banking? I wonder if there is any precedent for this.

The dissolution of the USSR?

I asked ChatGPT about this, and it gave me a detailed response, concluding

In summary, while Russia assumed the bulk of the Soviet Union's debt, the situation was complicated by the lack of a clear legal framework for debt succession and the economic turmoil in the post-Soviet space. The Soviet Union's debt was significantly reduced through negotiations and restructuring, and the newly independent states generally did not assume the Soviet debt burden.

ChatGPT - USSR Debt After Dissolution

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The effect on the newly independent states of the former USA of no longer being able to rely on other countries being so willing to lend them money as willingly as are buyers of US treasury bonds and of the US dollar no longer being the international reserve currency would be pretty significant, as would the effect on the international economy as a whole.

ETA

Something similar happened in the case of the former Yugoslavia

In summary, after the breakup of Yugoslavia, Serbia inherited the lion’s share of the country’s sovereign debt, with other republics negotiating their portion or opting out of debt responsibility. The debt was managed through a series of negotiations, restructurings, and agreements with international creditors, and it took years for the former Yugoslav states to resolve their financial issues. Serbia’s eventual settlement of the debt was crucial in allowing it to stabilize economically and work toward EU integration.

 

[Noodles]

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Though I still lean toward believing that Trump is just a puppet, and Elon is the real evil - though Elon even seems to be getting fed up with Trump.

Trump is a puppet.

But Musk is not the master.

 

[Monica Dream]

Trump is a puppet.

But Musk is not the master.

Musk is one of the masters. But not the only one.

 

[Free]

Is it possible that Musk and Trump are both the puppet, and the master?