What The Fuck Do We Do Now?

[Cristiano]

So there you have it. Not only is Trump defying the Supreme Court, he is lying about it and also talking about sending American citizens to prisons in El Salvador, while sitting next to the autocratic leader of El Salvador (who was not wearing a fucking suit while asking for more money for his gulags). We are in a full blown descent into fascism, all while our economy is being utterly detroyed. Where in the fuck are the Democrats? This cannot continue.

 

[Free]

With Trump's desire to deport U.S. citizens, no one is safe. Where are the Democrats? Possibly being detained by ICE as we speak.

Anyone know of a clean hole in the ground that's available I can go hide in? Something with decent wifi and food delivery would be nice.

 

[Jopsy Pendragon]

Dems have been pulling so long and so hard against the traditional Republican party line that when the MAGA's basically re-defined the whole right-wing/conservative party into something almost completely different... the dems all fell on their asses like the tug-of-war rope had been cut in the middle.

An opposition party to MAGA is needed. Woke/DEI/Progressive/Liberal/Democrate labels all have too much baggage from the old dichotomy... we've got to dig in and pull in a new direction that doesn't sit well with a lot of traditional democrats.

WE have to become the intractable "Law & Order" party. We have to become strict constitutionalists, not "live and let live" indulgent warm fuzzy types. We have to start arresting people that are breaking our laws and do more than merely make an example out of them, we need to start treating them like the treasonous anti-American shitbags they are, have the government seize their wealth and lock them up for life.

None of which flies with the peace-nicks on the left.

Honestly, what we really need is for old school republicans to break away from the new MAGA cult and create a new party that some of the left can get on board with, which is the only way I think this has a shot.

 

[Isabeau]

There have been some good rallies, but I don’t think many are prepared to risk going through some actual sacrifices (as in time, or purchasing choices), not to mention risk getting hurt or sent to jail, now.

I was trying to learn what the equivalent of an opposition party was in the US, and why there seemed to be not much push back from the population, and leaders, even past politicians. Anyway, doesn’t matter why I landed on that post, but it helped me understand a tad. There was a thread on Reddit a few weeks back, I’ll try to find it, though maybe all things you already know. Interesting answers nonetheless.

Would be nice to see some past and present leaders who represent different “segments” of the population, such as women’s groups, African-American rights, past Dem presidents who are more centrists, republicans who aren’t maga, along with Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez get together and come out during large protests (not rallies). Announce it ahead of time. Write and publish a letter stating that they stand together, and urging people to fight back.

Yes, I know past presidents don’t usually meddle, but these aren’t normal times. When they don’t speak up and act, many will just think, well if they don’t think it’s bad enough to risk themselves, and behave as they have always done in the past, what could I possibly do?

A general lack of solidarity among fellow Americans doesn’t help (individualism?) Maybe your country is too big, or rather, too many countries “united” under one flag.

 

[Isabeau]

I hope my post doesn’t seem too defeatist. I really do believe it isn’t too late, that if and when people get angry enough, a lot can be accomplished. There will be a tipping point, then watch out, it will all vomit out. Hopefully, some respected leaders will step up to at least guide people.


Ok I found the thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AntifascistsofReddit/s/CAN1vQ61QA

 

[Kalel]

allot of people hold onto the american illusion and continue going about their lives, until enough people life are directly affected i don't expect much resistance. we have been suppressed for years though constant brainwashing and fracturization, we can't affectively organize...

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

I don't know what the right solution is... it's a big problem. I do know some of the more complicit democrats like Schumer need to be primaried. I think the solution is likely to be slow and multi faceted. We need to get more involved with education of young people to make it harder for the far right to recruit. I also have been stepping up donations to any org or politician that will actually fight.

I'm still a bit suspicious that riots in the streets are actually very helpful. I think those do more to make the protesters feel like they are doing something than to actually influence policy. But I certainly respect it over doing nothing.

I'm really hoping the trade war alienates a lot of the people who SOMEHOW thought Trump would manage the economy well.

 

[Noodles]

I am torn on Riots.

There is a strong likely hood that they are pushing and pushing, hoping for riots, so they can get to the "next level" of authority.

But also, without a reaction, they will just push and push to the end game anyway, maybe a bit slower.

As that one chucklefuck said before the election, the next revolution will be bloodless if the Left lets it be. Or whatever.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Power fears work stoppage and violence. Don’t do the work stoppage the violence will arrive eventually.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

So, I asked ChatGPT what would happen if the President defies an order from the Supreme Court and Congress does nothing about it. This is what it had to say:

If the President of the United States defies a unanimous order from the Supreme Court, and Congress does nothing, the country enters a serious constitutional crisis. Here's what that really means and what could unfold:

Constitutional Crisis Explained

A constitutional crisis occurs when different branches of government are in conflict, and there's no clear resolution within the framework of the Constitution. In this case:

• The Supreme Court has no enforcement power of its own—it depends on the executive branch to carry out its rulings.
• If the President refuses, the Court can't send marshals to enforce the decision without cooperation from the executive.
• If Congress (which has the power to impeach) does nothing, then no political check is applied either.

Legal & Political Fallout

1. Rule of Law is Undermined
   It sets a precedent that Supreme Court rulings are optional if the President doesn't like them—an erosion of judicial authority and the Constitution's separation of powers.
2. Impeachment is the Constitutional Remedy
   Congress has the power to impeach and remove the President for “high crimes and misdemeanors.” Defying a Supreme Court ruling could qualify, but if Congress won't act, the system's checks fail.
3. Public and Political Pressure
   Massive public backlash or civil unrest could follow, depending on the issue and its national impact. States, agencies, and citizens could also resist or defy the President’s orders.
4. State Resistance or Civil Disobedience
   State officials or governors may ignore federal orders or align with the Court’s decision, deepening the crisis into a potential federal-state standoff.
5. Military and Bureaucratic Reaction
   Military and civil service officers swear an oath to the Constitution, not the President personally. If the President’s actions are deemed unlawful, they may refuse to carry them out, creating further chaos or even a standoff.

Real-World Echoes

This kind of defiance is rare but not unprecedented in tension:

• Andrew Jackson reportedly ignored a Supreme Court decision in Worcester v. Georgia (1832), though the exact quote is likely apocryphal ("John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it").
• Abraham Lincoln took extraordinary constitutional liberties during the Civil War, but these were arguably wartime measures with Congressional backing.

Bottom Line

If a president defies the Supreme Court and Congress fails to respond, it reveals a breakdown in constitutional governance. In practice, this could lead to:

• Mass protests
• Government dysfunction
• Civil disobedience
• Potentially long-term damage to democratic norms

The system relies on each branch respecting the others’ roles—and the public expecting and demanding that respect be upheld.

Would you like a fictional scenario or timeline showing how such a crisis might play out?

I went ahead and said yes. What followed was interesting. It gave a scenario where POTUS defies a ruling from SCOTUS about the illegality of an EO banning certain media organizations from access to the White House. Not exactly the scenario playing out in real life, but it's still pretty pertinent:

Alright, here’s a fictional timeline that shows how a **modern constitutional crisis** might unfold if the President defies a **unanimous Supreme Court ruling** and **Congress refuses to act**.

---

### **Fictional Scenario: A Constitutional Crisis in the U.S.**

**Issue**: The Supreme Court unanimously rules that a newly signed presidential executive order (EO 1583) banning certain media organizations from White House access is unconstitutional under the First Amendment.

---

### **Day 1: The Ruling**
- **SCOTUS Decision**: 9–0 ruling strikes down EO 1583, declaring it a "blatant violation of press freedom."
- **Chief Justice**: Publicly states the ruling must be followed immediately.
- **President’s Response**: In a televised address, the President says:
> "The Court has overstepped its bounds. The executive branch will not be bound by political decisions disguised as legal ones."

---

### **Day 2–3: Shock and Reactions**
- **Legal Scholars**: Universally condemn the defiance, warning of a constitutional breakdown.
- **Media**: Denied access despite the ruling, major networks begin legal action and organize press conferences outside the White House fence.
- **Congressional Democrats**: Demand immediate compliance or impeachment hearings.
- **Congressional Republicans**: Largely silent or call for “calm deliberation.”

---

### **Day 5: Congress Stalls**
- **Speaker of the House**: Announces that impeachment is “not on the table at this time.”
- **Senate Majority Leader**: Says “the courts and the President will work this out.”

Public approval of Congress drops 15% in one week.

---

### **Week 2: State and Civil Resistance**
- **California, New York, Illinois**: Governors announce they will no longer recognize the executive order and call it “illegitimate.”
- **Federal Press Corps**: Begins operating from outside federal property. State capitols open their own press rooms to support journalists.
- **Civil Protests**: Begin nationwide under the banner "Hold the Line."

---

### **Week 3: Executive Escalation**
- **President**: Issues a new order declaring “unauthorized press gatherings near federal property a national security risk.”
- **National Guard**: Mobilized in Washington D.C.
- **Pentagon**: Releases a carefully worded statement reaffirming loyalty to the Constitution.

---

### **Week 4: Deepening Divide**
- **Federal Agencies Split**: DOJ lawyers quietly refuse to argue in favor of the President’s stance. A few resign.
- **Whistleblower Leak**: Reveals internal emails showing intent to "test the limits of judicial authority."
- **Public Trust Collapses**: Polls show 65% of Americans believe the President is in breach of the Constitution.

---

### **Week 5–6: Tipping Point**
- **A Bipartisan Coalition Forms**: Moderate Republicans and Democrats begin drafting articles of impeachment.
- **Key Military Official Resigns**: Says he "cannot follow unlawful orders."
- **Millions March**: Peaceful nationwide demonstrations swell, calling for impeachment and “Return to Rule of Law.”

---

### **Week 7: Resolution (or Not?)**
#### Option A: Congress Acts
- The House votes to impeach.
- The Senate holds an emergency trial and narrowly convicts, removing the President from office.
- Vice President is sworn in and affirms the Court’s ruling.

#### Option B: Congress Still Refuses
- The U.S. becomes functionally lawless at the federal level.
- States begin forming independent legal alliances.
- Talk of secession grows in a few fringe regions.
- The constitutional structure begins to fracture, possibly permanently.

---

### The Takeaway
This kind of crisis is **not just about one decision**—it's about whether the institutions hold **together** under pressure. Without mutual respect among the branches and political courage, even the most resilient systems can fail.

Want to explore how other countries or past empires handled similar moments? Or dig deeper into what specific laws or historical doctrines might apply in such a case?

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

 

[Innula Zenovka]

State Terror

A brief guide for Americans

snyder.substack.com

 

[Casey Pelous]

I have to admit, my best plan so far is to "bite the pillow."

 

[Jopsy Pendragon]

The difference being that abusive parents might be able to send you off to military boarding school, but even then once you reach the age of maturity there's hope you'll be released.

We're looking at a roadmap that has regular full U.S. citizens being abducted in the middle of the night and deported to El Salvador, where they might arrive and be thrown into a cell with 20+ other guys, or they might just be thrown out of the airplane over some remote stretch of jungle.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

The difference being that abusive parents might be able to send you off to military boarding school, but even then once you reach the age of maturity there's hope you'll be released.

We're looking at a roadmap that has regular full U.S. citizens being abducted in the middle of the night and deported to El Salvador, where they might arrive and be thrown into a cell with 20+ other guys, or they might just be thrown out of the airplane over some remote stretch of jungle.

Based on this I see a future of Americans hiding in their homes as their neighbors have their door kicked in one by one, rather than banding together at the end of the street filming the whole thing and resisting any Trumpenpolice entry.

 

[Jopsy Pendragon]

Based on this I see a future of Americans hiding in their homes as their neighbors have their door kicked in one by one, rather than banding together at the end of the street filming the whole thing and resisting any Trumpenpolice entry.

Nah, they'll probably raid and demolish houses seemingly at random, taking out key obstacles to their consolidation of power and setting an example to everyone else to lay low and not be a nail that needs to be hammered down.

And they'll justify it by falsely claiming the targets were part of some Antifa domestic terrorist bomb building network, just to scare everyone away from trying to stand up for the falsely accused, no matter how well established in the community they may have been.

And if people try to defend themselves against raids? They won't care, they've got an army of ammo-obsessed redneck racists chomping at the bit to draw blood for their toxic white male first agenda. Literal cannon fodder who'll only be more galvanized by the peers they lose along the way.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

SCOTUS puts constitutional crisis in America's Easter basket

Instead of a chocolate bunny, we get the president openly defying a court order.

www.publicnotice.co

In its pursuit of a policy, Donald Trump’s government is content to destroy a man

What’s at stake in the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia

www.economist.com

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I'd also note that the practice of removing prisoners from the jurisdiction in order to deny them the right to apply to the courts for a writ of habeas corpus was outlawed in England by the Habeas Corpus Amendment Act 1679, which is still on the statute books.

 

[Rose Karuna]

Based on this I see a future of Americans hiding in their homes as their neighbors have their door kicked in one by one, rather than banding together at the end of the street filming the whole thing and resisting any Trumpenpolice entry.

A few people will try and protest and they will be shut down and punished in some way (we're already seeing that). My fear is that if the Cheeto thinks that he can wrangle another election out of the American people, he will shut down the ability to vote completely with some emergency measure.

 

[Sheera Khan]

So I always thought, that's why there is a second amendment to the constitution... nvm...

 

[Casey Pelous]

So I always thought, that's why there is a second amendment to the constitution... nvm...

Any moment now, the Gravy Seals are going to put on their Tactical(TM) Gear, rise up, and overthrow the tyrannical .... huh? No?