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Trump moved to Florida. Does that make him a southerner? Asking for a friend. LOL
Why don't we have a NO emoji. Just a simple no, no connotations of good or bad, just a no?
 
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Seriously, Trump is dumb as a box of rocks. He slept through Social Studies and paid people to take his tests. He doesn't GET democracy, the Declaration of Independence, nor the Constitution.
Wrong. Trump understands it very well, but he does not care about it. What he does care about only is abusing and stretching the system in every way possible to get him in the office. So all he's been doing since election day was done with that goal in mind.
 
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No, that prick, there I go again with the cuss words, is nothing but a grifter pure and simple. I don't want to disparage NYC as that is his home, especially since they hate his guts, but yeah, he is a northerner.
Be gentle on yourself. There is a an Unlimited Free Pass for cuss words in the current situation. Especially if you cuss them in 'Canadian'. ;)
 

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Wrong. Trump understands it very well, but he does not care about it. What he does care about only is abusing and stretching the system in every way possible to get him in the office. So all he's been doing since election day was done with that goal in mind.
I disagree. He has shown so many times that he does not have a fundamental grasp of even the basics. That's different that being his usual con man/grifter built in personality, who somehow inherently knows how to take advantages of weakness, in this case our democracy.

I firmly believe that he doesn't know the first thing about our democracy, or anything else for that matter, despite his bold claims to know EVERYTHING about EVERY subject ever. He's what we might have called an evil genius? I hate using that word for him, because I think he's dumb as shit, but he DOES have evil built in and knows how to take advantages of weakness. He is able to identify and pick it out and capitalize on it.

That, and he's had a shit ton of help his whole life, including now.
 
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I actually think that Trump both has the acuity to understand complex plans and plots (so long as they are entirely focused on his well being) and not to be able to understand super basic principals if they don't feed into his 'me me' trains of thought.

He's not well. That much has been obvious for at least three years. Its gotten worse as time goes by. The narcissism clouds his judgment and thought processes as much as it sharpens them when it comes to very narrow means of drawing attention and accolades to himself. This past year (after the likely hidden mini strokes?) seems much worse.

No one talks about it and there's no proof, but I've suspected all along that the reason the Rs have been behind him so closely is simple blackmail. Whether he 'has something' on someone or one of their relatives or is simply threatening something or someone they love in some fashion - that's how this kind of man does business. There are probably as many Rs secretly hoping he loses as those who want him to win.
 

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Be gentle on yourself. There is a an Unlimited Free Pass for cuss words in the current situation. Especially if you cuss them in 'Canadian'. ;)
I am so curious about this. Teach me to cuss in Canadian, lol! :) Do you mean, French? Oh man..so many years since I studied that.

On a side note, not directed to you, Myradyl:
Hey, Kam, I might be rusty, but I did understand the Asterix & Obelix quote.
 

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As far as I'm concerned, election polls have become a worthless byproduct of a different age (since 2016!). Just like buggy whips.

Well, at least you can repurpose buggy whips... :hellokitty:
A long thread about polls and modeling going on at @zeynep on Twitter. A lot of useless arguing going on, but not all is useless.

Are probabilities forecasts? Damn right they are. Anything purporting to provide information about the future is a forecast.

Is counting the number of states polls got right really meaningful? (Nate Silver) Not so much. Tufecki points out that one could predict most states ahead of time without using polls. I'd add that not all states are of equal importance. The polling in large electoral count states matters far more, like Florida.

Are the models/polling verified at all? Nah. Tufecki's comparison to weather forecasts is worthwhile. For instance, a few years ago the NHC started assigning probabilities to tropical disturbances on their 3 and 5 day chances of becoming tropical storms. After a couple of years, the data showed that they were consistently underestimating the chances of their medium probablity group (needed more high) so they changed their procedures. We don't really get that kind of feedback since national elections are so variable in nature, the mechanics are not well understood, and they just aren't well understood even after the fact.

Polling and models feedback into the system they are trying to predict.

Polling and models will continue anyway.
 

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Why don't we have a NO emoji. Just a simple no, no connotations of good or bad, just a no?
That was the point of my post: no. I'd find a MAYBE emoji reply more interesting! Makes me think of the Hong Kong Phooey theme song--though that's "Could beeee!" ... "Number one super guy." Posted song to What are you listening to? Was on a great album of cartoon theme song covers.
 

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Yeah well, Election Polls can be used to S&M needs just as well it seems. All of this waiting is TOOORTURE.
Just remember the safe "word:" Audios Trump!
 
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I keep reminding myself that even if we don't flip the Senate - there's a very good chance it will be flipped in two years with no Trump to hold together that coalition. There's still time for them to focus on public campaign financing, getting rid of Citizen's United and the other underlying causes of our current state of awfulness. Assuming Biden wins. If he doesn't, which one of you Canadians has a few extra rooms?
 

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Meet Trump's new fanboy/girl/whatver television network: OAN!

Not so new.
 

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Not so new.
Oh yeah, they make Fox look "fair and balanced."