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Also, while it's dreadful what's happening to these deportees, I'm glad the ICE agents are sharing their plight.

 

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Also, while it's dreadful what's happening to these deportees, I'm glad the ICE agents are sharing their plight.


His wife has stated he only transported groups of workers between sites. The likelihood one of them was not fully and properly documented seems high.

Does this mean any US driver unknowingly giving a ride to another person could be accused and convicting of human smuggling? What about interstate bus drivers?

In the UK, one couple returning home from France who reported an illegal immigrant hiding in their motor-home were fined £1,500 for smuggling them in. Garcia, however, faces 10 years in jail for each person he transported, if convicted.
 

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His wife has stated he only transported groups of workers between sites. The likelihood one of them was not fully and properly documented seems high.

Does this mean any US driver unknowingly giving a ride to another person could be accused and convicting of human smuggling? What about interstate bus drivers?

In the UK, one couple returning home from France who reported an illegal immigrant hiding in their motor-home were fined £1,500 for smuggling them in. Garcia, however, faces 10 years in jail for each person he transported, if convicted.
The indictment against him alleges conspiracy, which I'd have thought must mean that the prosecutors have to prove he knowingly agreed to do something unlawful, and the details of the indictment outline a knowing agreement with other conspirators to smuggle people into the US, and to smuggle them and weaposn around the US.

However, I see from multiple reports that

The decision to pursue the indictment against Abrego Garcia led to the abrupt departure of Ben Schrader, a high-ranking federal prosecutor in Tennessee, sources briefed on Schrader's decision told ABC News. Schrader's resignation was prompted by concerns that the case was being pursued for political reasons, the sources said.

Schrader, who spent 15 years in the U.S. Attorney's Office in Nashville and was most recently the chief of the criminal division, declined to comment when contacted by ABC News.
 

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Abrego Garcia Appears in Court

The decision to pursue the indictment against Abrego Garcia led to the abrupt departure of Ben Schrader, a high-ranking federal prosecutor in Tennessee, sources briefed on Schrader's decision told ABC News. Schrader's resignation was prompted by concerns that the case was being pursued for political reasons, the sources said.
 
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Trump authorises national guard to deploy to LA

And of course the drunkard in charge of the military but not in charge of his own group chats, Pete Hegseth, threatens to deploy active duty marines. Apparently they are butt hurt about ICE being protested.

Trump had signed a memo late Saturday night ordering the national guard deployment.
The memo asserts that the demonstrations impeded “execution of laws” and therefore “constitute a form of rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States”.
Trump is doing everything he can to make sure this escalates to violence and death.
 

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Has anyone here held a rubber bullet, like the one I think a reporter was shot with? The one I saw was very heavy, making me question why they are called "non-lethal" rounds, as they could certainly kill a person.

 

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Has anyone here held a rubber bullet, like the one I think a reporter was shot with? The one I saw was very heavy, making me question why they are called "non-lethal" rounds, as they could certainly kill a person.

I think most of the reports I've seen are calling them "less lethal" for that very reason.

During "the troubles" in NI 17 people were killed by baton rounds (rubber or plastic bullets). Eight of them were children.
 

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I think most of the reports I've seen are calling them "less lethal" for that very reason.

During "the troubles" in NI 17 people were killed by baton rounds (rubber or plastic bullets). Eight of them were children.
YEP, it's very hard to incapacitate a person without any real risk of death. Tasers have also killed a lot of people. So has tear gas. Clean, safe knockouts only exist in movies and video games.

This also makes me think of how tranq darts are shown in movies as being so clean and safe and no such thing really exists.
 

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YEP, it's very hard to incapacitate a person without any real risk of death. Tasers have also killed a lot of people. So has tear gas. Clean, safe knockouts only exist in movies and video games.

This also makes me think of how tranq darts are shown in movies as being so clean and safe and no such thing really exists.
As I understand it from people who served in NI, you are (or were with the designs back then) supposed to shoot them at the ground in front of protesters so they ricochet upwards and hit people on the legs and lower body with considerably less force than they would if aimed directly but still hard enough to cause considerable discomfort so the crowd would retreat.

Soldiers and RUC members didn't always follow procedure, though, and even when they did, the ricochet could easily hit someone on the head, sometimes with fatal results.
 

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I think most of the reports I've seen are calling them "less lethal" for that very reason.

During "the troubles" in NI 17 people were killed by baton rounds (rubber or plastic bullets). Eight of them were children.
I sadly remember the deaths from their use in NI. The one I held, brought back by a friend's father who served there, was very large and heavy, would have bounced up high from hitting the road, I think.

President Trump's deployment of National Guard troops to Los Angeles in response to protests against recent ICE raids is deeply alarming,” Amnesty International wrote. “Armed troops have no place in our neighborhoods. This is not about protecting communities, but about suppressing dissent and instilling fear.”
https://www.wired.com/story/non-lethal-weapons-la-protests/
 

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The owner said it takes not only a financial toll, but an emotional one.
If only they could take a moment and consider those tolls swapped in priority. I know empathy is a hard nut to crack for some of them, but...
 

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I'm about to have an aneurism...

After CA Senator Alix PAdilla was forced out of the room and to the ground, that fucking fascist Noam said: “We are not going away. We are staying here to liberate the city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into this city.”

While I would expect nothing better from a puppy murderer, she, and those who sent her, belong on trial for high crimes against the United States.

I hope I live to see it.

What a fucking birthday.
 

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