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Looks like Trump's increasingly bizarre behaviour since his illness started may not be 'roid rage at all



Very interesting account of what's known about the various drugs he's been on.

Didn't see anything about known side effects from -combining- those drugs.

It may not be classic 'roid rage' but the more crap you throw into a clogged toilet, the more it's gonna over-flow in a catastrophic mess.
 
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Didn't see anything about known side effects from -combining- those drugs.

It may not be classic 'roid rage' but the more crap you throw into a clogged toilet, the more it's gonna over-flow in a catastrophic mess.
No, since he's probably the only person ever to have received that combination, but I don't see that tells us much one way or the other.

When you think about it, though, there's not going to be any one cause for his current state. He's unhinged anyway, now under really severe pressure as a landslide defeat looms that must be doing horrible things to his already warped and fractured psyche, suffering from a serious illness that he knows may well be life-threatening and which often causes confusion and disturbed thinking, often long-term -- the dexamethasone may well be exacerbating his mental problems, but they won't go away when he stops taking it.
 
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Looks like Trump's increasingly bizarre behaviour since his illness started may not be 'roid rage at all



Very interesting account of what's known about the various drugs he's been on.

The way Trump addresses medical topics always feels like listening to the pronunciation manual.

 

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See, now that is the kind of thing that can make a person believe he was faking it all along. I mean, if he had a plan to fake "being frail" why couldn't he have a plan to fake anything? The fact that he was treated at Walter Reed speaks to the fact that he really did have it, but there are still many questions about the timeline. Was he tested at Walter Reed or did he just present symptoms and refuse testing, leaving them to go by his own personal physician's word on testing? Enquiring minds want to know.
 

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See, now that is the kind of thing that can make a person believe he was faking it all along. I mean, if he had a plan to fake "being frail" why couldn't he have a plan to fake anything? The fact that he was treated at Walter Reed speaks to the fact that he really did have it, but there are still many questions about the timeline. Was he tested at Walter Reed or did he just present symptoms and refuse testing, leaving them to go by his own personal physician's word on testing? Enquiring minds want to know.
Well, errm, yes, but there's a bit of a difference between, on the one hand, having a stupid idea, "wouldn't it be funny if, " for a gag that would last for no more than a couple of minutes between coming into view and pulling off his shirt, and, on the other, some massively complex and hugely politically damaging plan, dreamed up at very short notice, to fake being ill in the first place, or to fake the severity of his illness.

You'll note that the considerably more simple plan -- the Superman act -- was never, in fact, implemented.
 
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Antiabortion groups told Insider they took no issue with the fact that one of President Donald Trump's COVID-19 treatments — which he is now vowing to make available to all Americans — was tested using cells that originally came from an abortion.

It is a research practice Trump has severely restricted during his presidency and one pro-life groups have vehemently opposed.
To test the antibody cocktail's effectiveness, Regeneron used an "immortalized epithelial cell line," or cells that were altered in a lab so they could last forever when they otherwise would not. These cells, now called HEK 293T cells, were derived from the kidneys of a fetus that was aborted in 1972 in the Netherlands.

When Insider asked three antiabortion organizations — the Heritage Foundation, Texas Alliance for Life, and Pro-Life Action League — about the origin of Trump's COVID-19 treatment, they demurred.
 

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I feel like if you are not just anti choice, but also restricting research, you shouldn't be able to benefit from that research.
 

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It's amazing what you can find out with Google -- detailed discussion of the Catholic position on this in a Jesuit magazine:



Can a Catholic make use of medical treatments derived from a procured abortion?

The answer is a familiar one: It’s complicated.

It entails the use of terms not usually heard around the water cooler (and, Lord knows, not heard in a presidential debate): Formal cooperation with evil; material cooperation, both remote and proximate; active and passive material cooperation with evil. But the short answer is the most helpful one: If you can avoid using medical treatments derived from fetal cells, you should. If there isn’t another practical option without grave health risks, the Catholic Church considers it morally acceptable for you to take advantage of medical treatment derived from fetal cells.
 
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Catholics have often had a bit of a pragmatic "no no noo ... NO! *sigh* well alright, but we still love you" attitude. It's hard saying this with knowledge of the evils they have allowed and/or ignored, but yeah ... complicated.
 
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some percent of his voters are though.

Aaaaactually... it's more like the Catholic Church tends to be more "No! No no no... oh, how much are you giving us? Um. Okay. But only just in this one case. And you better guilt your relatives into attending Mass more often too. And make more babies for us to exploit."
 

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Well, errm, yes, but there's a bit of a difference between, on the one hand, having a stupid idea, "wouldn't it be funny if, " for a gag that would last for no more than a couple of minutes between coming into view and pulling off his shirt, and, on the other, some massively complex and hugely politically damaging plan, dreamed up at very short notice, to fake being ill in the first place, or to fake the severity of his illness.

You'll note that the considerably more simple plan -- the Superman act -- was never, in fact, implemented.
Who says he dreamed it up at a moment's notice and hadn't been planning it for some time? The tshirt thing was a moment's notice but that doesn't mean a larger plan to fake it wasn't considered over a much longer time period.
 
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Who says he dreamed it up at a moment's notice and hadn't been planning it for some time? The tshirt thing was a moment's notice but that doesn't mean a larger plan to fake it wasn't considered over a much longer time period.
And what of the rest of the White House cluster? Are they shamming their illness as part of the hoax?