The Catholic Church Should Burn

[Zaida Gearbox]

I'm not sure that would be the solution either. I've heard it a lot in the last few years, people implying that celibacy rules are somehow "turning priests into" pedos, or that many of them who abuse children aren't really pedophiles at all but have just settled for children because they're the only available option and the priest just needs sex from somewhere, anywhere; but I don't believe that for a second, because priests aren't supposed to be raping kids any more than having sex with consenting adults. Honestly, if you ask me, once a priest has decided to break the celibacy rule, he's basically freed himself to seek sex from wherever he prefers to get it from, and that includes adult men or women. In fact, we know for certain that many priests who break their vow choose to go this route; yesterday I happened to see this article on CNN, about the new revelation that the Catholic Church has secret, special policy guidelines on how to proceed when a priest ends up fathering a child due to an illicit affair. So the celibacy isn't making priests into pedophiles or abusers. They were already that way.

I don't think celibacy is the problem policy. I think absolution and the inviolability of the confessional is the problem. All a priest has to do is confess having molested a parishioner child to his boss-priest and just like that, curtain of secrecy immediately comes down; the church authorities are conveniently "prohibited" from notifying police - or cooperating, if the police find out anyway - and the most they can do is remove him from the parish and send him somewhere else. Usually to some different parish where he has to do some BS administrative penance for a while before getting back to his regular priest-job where he's interacting with kids again in a new place.

That's what I think needs to change. The Catholic Church needs to change its doctrine so that confessed sex crimes are no longer sheltered (and, by the way, secular law respects this protection too, which also has to change); AND needs to set a policy that priests who abuse parishioners get kicked TFO, period - not just receive some internal administrative discipline.

A priest absolutely can withhold absolution unless the person turns themselves in to the authorities as part of their penance. We had an inmate - a multi-murderer- we got that way. The priest told him he couldn't be forgiven if he didn't come back to VA and confess, so he did.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Free]

Um, who is taking their children to bars?

Don't tell me: Lauren Boebert.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Um, who is taking their children to bars?

Don't tell me: Lauren Boebert.

I think it's in reference to this

Texas legislator proposes ban on minors watching drag shows

State Rep. Bryan Slaton said a ban was necessary to protect children from “perverted adults,” citing a viral video of children attending a Dallas drag show.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Free]

I think it's in reference to this

Doesn't matter the cause, because the "in reference to" is almost always some Republican "less government" a-hole demanding more government.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Doesn't matter the cause, because the "in reference to" is almost always some Republican "less government" a-hole demanding more government.

In the UK, whether or not accompanied children are allowed into bars, assuming the bar owner wants to admit them, subject to the bar's licencing conditions, which are governed by the local licencing authority on a case by case basis, subject to national guidelines (which strongly advise not allowing children to attend premises when adult entertainments are permitted).

So, long story short, it would be up to the local licencing magistrates to decide whether accompanied children should be allowed to attend a particular drag bar while a show was in progress, as part of the licencing conditions for the drag show, with the assumption being that they would be excluded.

ETA:

I'm old enough to remember when Danny La Rue was a huge star over here


Mind you, I also remember the Black and White Minstrels on TV. Odd to think that nowadays the US right would presumably want to ban Danny La Rue and bring back the Minstrels.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

In the UK, whether or not accompanied children are allowed into bars, assuming the bar owner wants to admit them, subject to the bar's licencing conditions, which are governed by the local licencing authority on a case by case basis, subject to national guidelines (which strongly advise not allowing children to attend premises when adult entertainments are permitted).

So, long story short, it would be up to the local licencing magistrates to decide whether accompanied children should be allowed to attend a particular drag bar while a show was in progress, as part of the licencing conditions for the drag show, with the assumption being that they would be excluded.

ETA:

I'm old enough to remember when Danny La Rue was a huge star over here


Mind you, I also remember the Black and White Minstrels on TV. Odd to think that nowadays the US right would presumably want to ban Danny La Rue and bring back the Minstrels.

Thing is, I've been to drag shows. I've even been made an honorary drag queen because somehow I got the nerve up to volunteer to do a spur of the moment routine for charity [as in, they asked for audience participation].

I really can't think of anything that's all 'that' adult in any of them [ other than, its adults performing ] I guess mileage may vary but when it comes down to it, it would be as simple as 'This particular show is more adult in theme, so 18+' like some concerts do.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Thing is, I've been to drag shows. I've even been made an honorary drag queen because somehow I got the nerve up to volunteer to do a spur of the moment routine for charity [as in, they asked for audience participation].

I really can't think of anything that's all 'that' adult in any of them [ other than, its adults performing ] I guess mileage may vary but when it comes down to it, it would be as simple as 'This particular show is more adult in theme, so 18+' like some concerts do.

The drag queens I remember from Danny la Rue's era tended also to be stand-up comics with a pretty adult repertoire of jokes and songs, which generally made them adult entertainment over here, but that was because they were blue comics, not because they were drag queens.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

The drag queens I remember from Danny la Rue's era tended also to be stand-up comics with a pretty adult repertoire of jokes and songs, which generally made them adult entertainment over here, but that was because they were blue comics, not because they were drag queens.

Most of the ones I've been to over here have been mostly song/dance numbers. But of course, also, this is because being 'non-hetero-' makes you adult and inappropriate to a certain loud minority.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I've just realised that one of the great British Christmas family entertainment traditions that the US doesn't have is the Christmas pantomime, which has the pantomime dame played by a man and the principle boy by a woman.

The Big, Bonkers, British, Christmas Pantomime - Longreads

Oh, yes I did! An attempt to explain the bizarre tradition of the British Christmas pantomime.

longreads.com

If people tried banning the pantomime because it includes drag, then we really would have culture war!

 

[Free]

If people tried banning the pantomime because it includes drag, then we really would have culture war!

I'd gladly ban it if it led to less of this:

 

[Free]

Texas legislator proposes ban on minors watching drag shows

State Rep. Bryan Slaton said a ban was necessary to protect children from “perverted adults,” citing a viral video of children attending a Dallas drag show.

www.nbcnews.com

This is all off-topic, but:


IT WAS NOT A BAR IT WAS AN ICE CREAM SHOP.

Of course, this will only make it worse now for the icky poo brigade.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

Thing is, I've been to drag shows. I've even been made an honorary drag queen because somehow I got the nerve up to volunteer to do a spur of the moment routine for charity [as in, they asked for audience participation].

I really can't think of anything that's all 'that' adult in any of them [ other than, its adults performing ] I guess mileage may vary but when it comes down to it, it would be as simple as 'This particular show is more adult in theme, so 18+' like some concerts do.

It's because, "zOMG men dressing in women's clothing will turn all those children gay!" If you're conservative, it doesn't have to make sense for you to buy it.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

‘It’s such a horrible thing’: devastating film examines sexual abuse in the Boy Scouts

In Leave No Trace, survivors speak about what they endured under the Boy Scouts of America, leading to the biggest sexual abuse settlement in history

www.theguardian.com

Evernote link

In recent years more than 82,000 people came forward with sex abuse claims against Scout leaders and volunteers – dwarfing the total in the Catholic church. In February 2020, the BSA sought bankruptcy protection to stave off a flood of lawsuits.

 

[Free]

Catholic bishops just keeping it real.

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

“The flying of these flags in front of a Catholic school sends a mixed, confusing and scandalous message to the public about the Church’s stance on these important moral and social issues,” a decree said.

It's none of the school's responsibility that the Church's stance on these important moral issues is confusing and scandalous.

 

[Grandma Bates]

While the Catholic Church is celebrating the end of Roe in the US, many people in authority still refuse to cooperate in investigations of abuse of children. The FBI has decided to expand its investigation into the abuses that took place in the archdioceses of New Orleans (USA). There are allegations that priests took children across state lines and abused them. It is further alleged that the last four archbishops were aware of the activities of at least one of the abusers:

FBI opens investigation into sex abuse in the Roman Catholic Church in New Orleans

More than a dozen alleged abuse victims have been interviewed this year as part of the probe that’s exploring among other charges whether predator priests can be prosecuted under the Mann Act, a more than century-old, anti-sex trafficking law that prohibits taking anyone across state lines for...

www.pbs.org

Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi is not able to receive communion in her home parish yet can receive communion from the Pope:

Nancy Pelosi Reportedly Receives Communion at Papal Mass

Pelosi, who is in Rome on a family vacation, attended Pope Francis‘ Mass for the Solemnity of Saints Peter and Paul in St. Peter’s Basilica.

www.ncregister.com

 

[Free]

burn thxc



Hey Ashley, do *you* think it's time to burn the Catholic Church down?

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I once looked up to my uncle, the Jesuit priest and teacher – then I discovered the monstrous truth

My uncle Peter had always been a bit of a character, peculiar but not without charm. Then a chance encounter with one of his former pupils opened my eyes to his dark past

www.theguardian.com

Evernote link

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

The charm offensive of the Roman Catholic Church has entered its next level in the states! Finally they wanted to do something to improve the child abuse situation... well, somewhat:

The U.S. Catholic Church spent more than $10 million on lobbyists over seven years to delay statute of limitations reforms from going into effect in eight states, according to a new report.

The church paid for lobbying efforts in Pennsylvania, New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Maine and Rhode Island between 2011 and 2018, the report, which was reportedly commissioned by law firms representing survivors of church sexual abuse, found. Each state’s legislature was either considering or passed legislation that broadened statute of limitations laws, the time period in which victims of crimes can come forward with legal action.

Catholic Church spent $10M on lobbying to delay statute of limitations reforms: report

The U.S. Catholic Church spent more than $10 million on lobbyists over seven years to delay statute of limitations reforms from going into effect in eight states, according to a new repor…

thehill.com