The 2024 U.S. Presidential race

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The public is getting a very cherry picked view of things that isn't realistic. It's not realistic that you can be in front of the public every day and not make gaffes. Biden has always been known for gaffes and his stutter. It's not the powerful evidence of dementia that people think it is.
Add in the very obvious Ageism at play!

Trump uses more cosmetics than Dolly Parton. Joe is just Joe.
 

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The public is getting a very cherry picked view of things that isn't realistic. It's not realistic that you can be in front of the public every day and not make gaffes. Biden has always been known for gaffes and his stutter. It's not the powerful evidence of dementia that people think it is.
He has no mental illness, that is more Trump's department, but Biden is simply getting too old IMHO, that is what shows. He became an old fragile man, not always on top of things and makes mistakes that old people make more often than younger ones.
Point is, is he too old to run for a second term?
I personally think: "Yes he is."
I don't have a solution for this problem though and I'm in no position to fix it either.
 
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He has no mental illness, that is more Trump's department, but Biden is simply getting too old IMHO, that is what shows. He became an old fragile man, not always on top of things and makes mistakes that old people make more often than younger ones.
Point is, is he too old to run for a second term?
I personally think: "Yes he is."
I don't have a solution for this problem though and I'm in no position to fix it either.
You do realize the President is not alone in running the country, yes? He has a whole team of advisors he picked to help him with the day-to-day matters. A good president chooses good advisors and takes what they tell him under serous advisement. The president is not a know-it-all. That's something Biden understands very well, and Trump does not. That's why Biden is a strong, effective President.
 

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You do realize the President is not alone in running the country, yes? He has a whole team of advisors he picked to help him with the day-to-day matters. A good president chooses good advisors and takes what they tell him under serous advisement. The president is not a know-it-all. That's something Biden understands very well, and Trump does not. That's why Biden is a strong, effective President.
True, but team Biden is not on the ballot and so not chosen.
It is not a good thing in my book that the president becomes a marionette and the handlers of that puppet in power.
The president has be on top of the game.

That Biden still is a better choice than Trump is a given fact for me, but is it good enough for what is happening in our world at the moment (A possible build up to WWIII)?
 
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That Biden still is a better choice than Trump is a given fact for me, but is it good enough for what is happening in our world at the moment (A possible build up to WWIII)?
Like I told my daughter: we only have the choices we have. Don't let "perfect" become the enemy of "good enough".

Especially when the other choice is probably the worst president we've had in over 200 years as a nation. A narcissistic ignoramus who can't even name the countries in NATO.
 

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There is no third option. Trump or Biden. That's it.
Yes. There isn't a magical unicorn strong replacement candidate that will unite the party and beat Trump at this stage of the game. Doing so would take much more than even Obama's "star power" and also require them to already have some name recognition.
 

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Our situation vis a vis Biden's candidacy is so upsetting. It's tearing us all apart. If Biden had revealed himself earlier...

I keep coming back to thinking about Pete Buttigieg, but no one that I've heard of has written or spoken of him to run again for president. Yet, time and again, I've seen him confront adversarial questioning, acquiting himself and his cause both well (showing real expertise) and doing so politely. He is profoundly both a gentlemen and a scholar. Bonus: he's an able politician, too. But a gay candidate would be a significant first for us.

I also want Kamala Harris to run but unless she pulls a magic trick, her style is such that some (too many?) Democrats will be turned off by her, though Trump's mere existence in opposition should allow any sensible Democrat to overcome any dislike of Harris. Another gamble.

In 2020, we all felt so moved that a sensible person was running, a knowledgeable politician: Biden. Now, his mostly confidant responses are heartening, but at the same time, we all know very old people. They have their good days and their not-so-good days. His staff will keep him going and Kamala Harris is much more than competent to replace him, if that sad time comes. If Biden were to have a debilitating stroke, for example, would he relenquish the presidency? Would we rely on the 25th(?) Amendment to put Harris in the office which Biden could no longer discharge?

I'm confident that so long as Biden is all there, he'll do the right thing. But if he's not? If he has a day such as his debate day and Putin invades Moldova or Georgia or Khyrgzstan? If China invades Taiwan on such a not-so-good day? If Iran tests a nuclear weapon?

Though it's definitely out of the question to change our system this year, maybe we should not have so much riding on one person.
 

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Pete will have his day soon. He is everything I want to see in a president and world leader. He is energetic, charismatic, and really, really intelligent. And he doesn't strike me as the power-hungry type. I'd like to see him run in 2028. That is, if TCF hasn't won and we still have elections then.
 

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A little extreme to say he "won" but this does likely help him. He'll use this at every opportunity... Worst thing they could have done is shot at him and missed...
It would take a literal hand of god level miracle for Biden to win after today.
A crazy absurd level miracle.
Those don't happen.
You guys have forgotten how bad Trump and his MAGA freaks are at handling any sort of crisis.

Remember when Covid happened - the pandemic was a gift to Trump that would have ensured his reelection if he had shown just a little bit of competency. All he had to do was to not do something extremely stupid to unite the country behind him - and then he told people to drink bleach and inject horse medicine.

The big threat was Trump and his cult keeping their crazy in check until after the election, while the Democrats were talking about replacing Biden. But now, all inhibitions are gone. From now on, Trump is going to show up at campaign events wearing a bulletproof vest over his suit, he's going to ramble about how "they" won't let him carry a gun (because he's a felon), he'll surround himself with his own armed militia. Stuff like that is going to happen.

In the meantime, his MAGA followers in Congress are ramping up the Führerkult. They went from "sleepy Joe needs to go to bed" to "Joe Biden is a criminal mastermind who tried to murder his rival" in a matter of hours. I wouldn't be surprised if they're already planning another storm on the Capitol in the next few months. The problem with that is that it was supposed to happen after the election, now it's going to be another pre-mature insurrection.