SCOTUS set to overturn Roe and Casey

[WolfEyes]

The only thing I disagree with is that Republicans are the only ones who do this. Both sides of the very corrupted US government do whatever they want ALL the time!

Nancy Pelosi being at the top of that list.

Both sides are hypocrites too ...

Many of the people upset about "women's rights" [ which I agree with by the way, to a point ] - are the same people determined to prohibit / outlaw vaping! What about my body? What about an adult's right to choose?

People pick and choose depending on what THEY want and believe with little or no regard for other human beings. Not always - but often.

Where did I say Repugs were the only ones who do this?

 

[Cali Souther]

Where did I say Repugs were the only ones who do this?

I may have miss-read, but I thought that was what you were saying when you said...

"Look at how many people, kids and adults, are climbing on the cable all the way out until it goes under water completely behind the sign. They know they aren't supposed to be on it or even near it, but they do it any way. Just like the Repugs and other conservatives do. They completely ignore their own health and safety, as well as everyone else's. "

If not, my mistake, please ignore my comment.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

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Even the Catholic Church differentiates between treatment for ectopic pregnancy and abortion, since the death of the foetus is an unfortunate, but unavoidable, consequence of an action intended to save the life of the mother rather than to destroy the foetus.

Ectopic Pregnancy and Double Effect

An ectopic pregnancy occurs when the fertilized ovum implants in the fallopian tube or in some other location. A mother facing a tubal pregnancy risks imminent rupture of the fallopian tube and thus there exists a danger to both the life of the mother and the child.

www.catholic.com

 

[WolfEyes]

I may have miss-read, but I thought that was what you were saying when you said...

"Look at how many people, kids and adults, are climbing on the cable all the way out until it goes under water completely behind the sign. They know they aren't supposed to be on it or even near it, but they do it any way. Just like the Repugs and other conservatives do. They completely ignore their own health and safety, as well as everyone else's. "

If not, my mistake, please ignore my comment.

Well yeah when you ignore the word "Just". And yes they do what ever the hell they want when it comes to other people's lives and health. They don't care who they harm as long as they can have their silver spoon and eat with it too while the rest of us can't even scrape by because they have it all.

I grew up in a Repug household in Dixie so no need to try to tell me they aren't like that. I know better.

 

[Soen Eber]

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Even the Catholic Church differentiates between treatment for ectopic pregnancy and abortion, since the death of the foetus is an unfortunate, but unavoidable, consequence of an action intended to save the life of the mother rather than to destroy the foetus.

Ectopic Pregnancy and Double Effect

An ectopic pregnancy occurs when the fertilized ovum implants in the fallopian tube or in some other location. A mother facing a tubal pregnancy risks imminent rupture of the fallopian tube and thus there exists a danger to both the life of the mother and the child.

www.catholic.com

I looked that up and the language on ectopic pregnancies was struck out on Mar 22, I don't know how soneone posting on May 5th would have used the old language unless it got put back in somehow.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I looked that up and it was struck out on Mar 22, I don't know how soneone posting on May 5th would have used the old language unless it got put back in somehow.

I think the point is that this is what some legislators are already trying to do.

 

[WolfEyes]

The Biggest Lie Conservative Defenders of Alito’s Leaked Opinion Are Telling (msn.com)

The leaked copy of Justice Samuel Alito’s draft majority opinion overruling Roe v. Wade has unleashed a wave concern about what the opinion would mean, not only for people who depend on the availability of abortion care, but also for people who depend on other fundamental rights related to the 1973 ruling.

As President Biden and legal commentators pointed out, Justice Alito’s stated reasons for overruling Roe could seemingly be applied to overrule other precedents ranging from Obergefell v. Hodges, which recognized a right to marriage equality, to Lawrence v. Texas, which recognized a fundamental right for intimate relationships between consenting adults, including adults of the same sex, to Griswold v. Connecticut, which recognized a fundamental right to contraception.

While conservative commentators have sought to minimize these fears, one of their main responses has exposed Justice Alito’s draft majority opinion as nothing more than a lawless exercise of political power. They now claim that the court wouldn’t overrule those other precedents because, among other things, those other precedents are “politically popular.”

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Thank you Mr. Redmond



And especially you Nick, whoever you are.

What's funny is him saying that they would push for federal protections so that women cannot go to a different state given that they supposedly believe that it should fall to each state. They have no issue whatsoever with people being able to go to a different state to purchase guns or the death penalty falling to each state, mind you. It shows their true intentions regarding abortion and that is a federal ban.

 

[WolfEyes]

What's funny is him saying that they would push for federal protections so that women cannot go to a different state given that they supposedly believe that it should fall to each state. They have no issue whatsoever with people being able to go to a different state to purchase guns or the death penalty falling to each state, mind you. It shows their true intentions regarding abortion and that is a federal ban.

They really are pulling out all the stops.

I'm so angry about it I'm even snapping at Troy. So far, he's taking it quite well. I think he realizes this has been building up since 2016 for me. After what he had to go through just to get the umbilical hernia fixed, he has a much better understanding of what women have to deal with every day.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

What's funny is him saying that they would push for federal protections so that women cannot go to a different state given that they supposedly believe that it should fall to each state. They have no issue whatsoever with people being able to go to a different state to purchase guns or the death penalty falling to each state, mind you. It shows their true intentions regarding abortion and that is a federal ban.

Just the southern slave owners all over again, except they are scattered around the whole country now 'States Rights, you can't ban slavery!' 'But you can't free my slaves when i come to your state!'

 

[Free]

 

[Ellie]

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Even the Catholic Church differentiates between treatment for ectopic pregnancy and abortion, since the death of the foetus is an unfortunate, but unavoidable, consequence of an action intended to save the life of the mother rather than to destroy the foetus.

Ectopic Pregnancy and Double Effect

An ectopic pregnancy occurs when the fertilized ovum implants in the fallopian tube or in some other location. A mother facing a tubal pregnancy risks imminent rupture of the fallopian tube and thus there exists a danger to both the life of the mother and the child.

www.catholic.com

If (from Tweet) "1 out of every 50 pregnancies is ectopic," then with no proper treatment, a percentage of those mothers will die. If not most.

Reminds me of the Irish case that led to Irish voters repealing the constitutional amendment that effectively banned abortions.
How Savita Halappanavar’s Death Spurred Ireland’s Abortion Rights Campaign (Published 2018)
(Kleenex warning)

Is there no US law that prohibits the making of any law that results in the deaths of US citizens?
(Not a US citizen, perhaps I have too simple a view of the situation)

 

[WolfEyes]

If (from Tweet) "1 out of every 50 pregnancies is ectopic," then with no proper treatment, a percentage of those mothers will die. If not most.

Reminds me of the Irish case that led to Irish voters repealing the constitutional amendment that effectively banned abortions.
How Savita Halappanavar’s Death Spurred Ireland’s Abortion Rights Campaign (Published 2018)
(Kleenex warning)

Is there no US law that prohibits the making of any law that results in the deaths of US citizens?
(Not a US citizen, perhaps I have too simple a view of the situation)

Anyone have an Evernote link? It's like all newspapers believe everyone can afford to spend hundreds of dollars on subscriptions to several different papers in order to read ALL the news.

 

[WolfEyes]

Schumer plans vote to codify abortion rights | Watch (msn.com)

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Anyone have an Evernote link? It's like all newspapers believe everyone can afford to spend hundreds of dollars on subscriptions to several different papers in order to read ALL the news.

Evernote link

Also

Savita Halappanavar's parents hail Irish abortion vote

The case of Savita Halappanavar, who died after being refused an abortion, sparked calls for reform.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

If (from Tweet) "1 out of every 50 pregnancies is ectopic," then with no proper treatment, a percentage of those mothers will die. If not most.

Reminds me of the Irish case that led to Irish voters repealing the constitutional amendment that effectively banned abortions.
How Savita Halappanavar’s Death Spurred Ireland’s Abortion Rights Campaign (Published 2018)
(Kleenex warning)

Is there no US law that prohibits the making of any law that results in the deaths of US citizens?
(Not a US citizen, perhaps I have too simple a view of the situation)

Technically, Roe v Wade being overturned, with that opinion, would mean it says the Constitution does not apply to women who can get pregnant, with strong overtones of the only people it applies to are white, christian, hetero-, cis males who are conservatives. Because it would allow states to violate HIPAA laws. It says we don't get privacy [that's what the original ruling was based on].

Also, as mentioned here by Wolfeyes, the speed of the LA bill being put out gives strong implications that the leak to Politico? was not the only leak.

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And, as per the person who did this tutorial video, spread the rage - here is how to make a mini clothes hanger, for those who want to show solidarity.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

If (from Tweet) "1 out of every 50 pregnancies is ectopic," then with no proper treatment, a percentage of those mothers will die. If not most.

Reminds me of the Irish case that led to Irish voters repealing the constitutional amendment that effectively banned abortions.
How Savita Halappanavar’s Death Spurred Ireland’s Abortion Rights Campaign (Published 2018)
(Kleenex warning)

Is there no US law that prohibits the making of any law that results in the deaths of US citizens?
(Not a US citizen, perhaps I have too simple a view of the situation)

Here's the thing, though: Republicans absolutely do not care if anyone dies so a similar situation would not happen here. The deaths will happen, but they will not back down.

I understood this as they attempted to dismantle the ACA, while arresting individuals in wheelchairs who had the temerity to go to their office, with approximately 45,000 people dying per year due to lack of health care.

I understood this as they have zero reaction to the deaths of Americans by gun and in particular mass murders, even of children have no effect upon them.

I was horrified as I watched their response to Covid change from everyone should be wearing masks/lockdown to "Muh freedoms, my body, my choice" when they realized that it was hitting poor, disabled and minority communities far more than affluent ones. We hit the one million death mark recently. Once they committed to being ghouls of death, they have not backed down.

Abortion is no different. They simply do not care how many suffer or die, nor under what circumstances. The various laws they wish to put on the books regarding making it a homicide (remember when they said they wouldn't punish women?), no exceptions for rape, incest or ectopic pregancies highlight this attitude. Similar to Covid they know that the wealthy will always find a way.

They simply do not care what the American public wants. 60% of the public supports abortion rights in all cases. We can protest. They simply do not care. They feel insulated from us and do what they damn well please, likely due to the fact that they are taking power by stripping voting rights and in some cases trying to make laws to actually overrule the will of the voters. They answer only to the likes of Rebekah Mercer and the NRA. I mean, two stolen elections (Bush, Trump) both unpunished and an unpunished insurrection attempt to overturn the election of the presidency have them feeling pretty untouchable. Take note that 4 of the 5 Supreme Court justices overturning Roe v. Wade were appointed by those two presidents, or rather the likes of the Federalist Society and the Heritage Foundation. Those appointments flow from stolen presidencies.

They are the party of death and corruption, not freedom. They are unswayed by any appeals.

 

[Free]

I almost couldn't read through this piece, the anger just rises too fast.

‘Witches’ and ‘Whores’: The Far Right Is Already Celebrating the End of Abortion

The far right is stoked about what it sees as the impending collapse of abortion rights in the U.S. after the SCOTUS leak.

www.vice.com

 

[Jolene Benoir]

I almost couldn't read through this piece, the anger just rises too fast.

‘Witches’ and ‘Whores’: The Far Right Is Already Celebrating the End of Abortion

The far right is stoked about what it sees as the impending collapse of abortion rights in the U.S. after the SCOTUS leak.

www.vice.com

It takes two people to make a baby, yet they speaks of roasting witches and hoes, in their words.

 

[Free]

It takes two people to make a baby

Don't remind them, they hate that fact.