Nobody Cares: PRS

[Cristalle]

 

[Aeon Jiminy]

 

[Free]

Oh sure, use pie to illustrate inequality!!!

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

Oh sure, use pie to illustrate inequality!!!

For real! They should at least let them eat cake.

 

[Free]

For real! They should at least let them eat cake.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Inappropriate laugh:

 

[Clara D.]

Oh sure, use pie to illustrate inequality!!!

 

[Free]

That pie represents quality!

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

 

[Anya Ristow]

Anecdotal observation...

The media hatred of Bernie has crossed the tipping point of being just a rallying cry to people who already support him, to a wake-up call to people who don't. "Hey, the media really has it out for him. He must be our guy." I'm seeing it everywhere he is discussed.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Anecdotal observation...

The media hatred of Bernie has crossed the tipping point of being just a rallying cry to people who already support him, to a wake-up call to people who don't. "Hey, the media really has it out for him. He must be our guy." I'm seeing it everywhere he is discussed.

Strangely enough, I've noticed there's another US presidential candidate whose supporters sometimes point to what they say as the unfair treatment their candidate receives at the hands of "the lying press" who, they say, make up "fake news" about their man.

This, they say, is a reason to support their chap, too.

 

[Anya Ristow]

Strangely enough, I've noticed there's another US presidential candidate whose supporters sometimes point to what they say as the unfair treatment their candidate receives at the hands of "the lying press" who, they say, make up "fake news" about their man.

This, they say, is a reason to support their chap, too.

Yang?

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Yang?

I hope so, quite seriously.

I've recently been reading Against the Fascist Creep, which investigates how the ideology of fascism has metamorphosed since it first started in Italy some 100 years ago. It's a much better book than the title might suggest.

Apparently a lot of the far right have, since WW2, eschewed the uniformed cosplay of SS wannabees and, instead, concentrated on what they see as the left-wing tradition in fascism, many of whose original supporters and ideologues were former communists and anarchists, after all.

Much fascist activity since the 1980s and 90s has, it seems, been conducted by these "left fascists" who share many of the left's concerns about capitalism, globalisation and the environment, and who deliberately infiltrate left-wing organisations and campaigns, both to disrupt them and to attempt to win supporters over to the fascist analysis of the problems with concern both sides, rather as (at least in the UK) Trotskyist organisations notoriously seek to infiltrate left-wing parties and campaigns for similar reasons.

This set me to wondering some of Bernie Sanders' online supporters, some of whom I think would be ideal targets for people on the far right who think this way -- that is, by targeting them they not only disrupt the Democrats' campaign but also have access to a particular constituency who share their dislike of capitalism, globalisation and the status quo in general, some of whom may be persuaded to join their ranks.

 

[Anya Ristow]

This set me to wondering some of Bernie Sanders' online supporters, some of whom I think would be ideal targets for people on the far right who think this way -- that is, by targeting them they not only disrupt the Democrats' campaign but also have access to a particular constituency who share their dislike of capitalism, globalisation and the status quo in general, some of whom may be persuaded to join their ranks.

You might find "with these hands" a hopeful part of the Bernie Sanders experience. I'll leave it to you to find it if you're curious. Then ask yourself if it looks fascist or Trump-like.

 

[Brenda Archer]

You might find "with these hands" a hopeful part of the Bernie Sanders experience. I'll leave it to you to find it if you're curious. Then ask yourself if it looks fascist or Trump-like.

I went googling and don’t seem to have found it among many things with a similar name.

 

[Anya Ristow]

I went googling and don’t seem to have found it among many things with a similar name.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

You might find "with these hands" a hopeful part of the Bernie Sanders experience. I'll leave it to you to find it if you're curious. Then ask yourself if it looks fascist or Trump-like.

I'm talking about people who join campaigns for their own purposes.

Certainly the Green movement in Europe has had serious problems over the years with entryists from the far right, as too has the Occupy movement in the US.

So, too, notoriously, did Gamergate, of course, and I'd certainly be surprised if the Sanders campaign wasn't similarly targetted.

You direct me to the Phillip Agnew video, but I'm not sure what you intend me to take from it.

I see someone who identifies many issues that many of the "red-brown" fascists would agree were problems, since they dislike capitalism just as much as do the left.

Unfortunately, the brief clip I watched showed him telling the audience that the Sanders campaign exists to solve the particular problems they all share, but it didn't show him explaining what sort of practical solutions were on offer ("We're against bad things" isn't a political argument unless it's accompanied by an analysis of what causes the bad things and how to remedy them).

All I'm saying is that the Sanders campaign, in particular, seems to me to offer a very attractive target for entryists of both the left and the right, who care not about getting Sanders (or the Democrats in general) elected but who see an opportunity to connect with people who share their concerns about particular issues, particularly people who aren't normally interested in politics, and then to try to persuade them to accept their own particular analysis of the problems.

"Vote for us because we're against bad things" is, on its own, a terrible argument and one that attracts entryists of the far-right and far-left both.

 

[Brenda Archer]

I hope so, quite seriously.

I've recently been reading Against the Fascist Creep, which investigates how the ideology of fascism has metamorphosed since it first started in Italy some 100 years ago. It's a much better book than the titj

Apparently a lot of the far right have, since WW2, eschewed the uniformed cosplay of SS wannabees and, instead, concentrated on what they see as the left-wing tradition in fascism, many of whose original supporters and ideologues were former communists and anarchists, after all.

Much fascist activity since the 1980s and 90s has, it seems, been conducted by these "left fascists" who share many of the left's concerns about capitalism, globalisation and the environment, and who deliberately infiltrate left-wing organisations and campaigns, both to disrupt them and to attempt to win supporters over to the fascist analysis of the problems with concern both sides, rather as (at least in the UK) Trotskyist organisations notoriously seek to infiltrate left-wing parties and campaigns for similar reasons.

This set me to wondering some of Bernie Sanders' online supporters, some of whom I think would be ideal targets for people on the far right who think this way -- that is, by targeting them they not only disrupt the Democrats' campaign but also have access to a particular constituency who share their dislike of capitalism, globalisation and the status quo in general, some of whom may be persuaded to join their ranks.

This definitely seems like the kind of book I want to read, thank you!

 

[Anya Ristow]

Unfortunately, the brief clip I watched showed him telling the audience that the Sanders campaign exists to solve the particular problems they all share, but it didn't show him explaining what sort of practical solutions were on offer ("We're against bad things" isn't a political argument unless it's accompanied by an analysis of what causes the bad things and how to remedy them).

We've been here before. Your saying Sanders hasn't been detailed does not make it true. It's a position that simply lacks credibility. Nor have you offered detailed works of the competing campaigns for comparison.

His supporters are are subject to being recruited by fascists or controlled by Russians isn't a political argument, either. It's a smear.