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We've been here before. Your saying Sanders hasn't been detailed does not make it true. It's a position that simply lacks credibility. Nor have you offered detailed works of the competing campaigns for comparison.

His supporters are are subject to being recruited by fascists or controlled by Russians isn't a political argument, either. It's a smear.
It’s not a “smear” (and if I never hear that word again, when it’s about politics, it won’t be too soon). Both US and British intelligence believe social media manipulation is a real thing and have said so in public.

My impression of the Bernie supporters is that they’re not better or worse than most, but they are very definitely younger on average, and it’s just inevitable some of them will be kinda green. And not as wary or as grounded in theory as they could be.

And Americans drink fascism with our TV news, constantly. I’ve seen people get turned around, just from that.

Every warning is not a “smear” and it’s unwise to shoot the messenger when another Left person says something that’s not brimming with unbridled enthusiasm.

Sanders is a seasoned veteran of Senatorial politics. He doesn’t need adoration.
 

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We've been here before. Your saying Sanders hasn't been detailed does not make it true. It's a position that simply lacks credibility. Nor have you offered detailed works of the competing campaigns for comparison.

His supporters are are subject to being recruited by fascists or controlled by Russians isn't a political argument, either. It's a smear.
I'm simply commenting on the clip for which you invited me to search.

If he offered anything more than "we're against bad things" in the clip, I must have missed it -- perhaps you could direct me to it.

And the statement that the Sanders campaign offers a particularly attractive target to entryists from both the far right and the far left isn't "a smear," as you put it (a phrase that seems work in much the same way as "fake news" to dismiss points someone finds inconvenient). It's a simple statement of fact.

Coincidentally, I was just reading this, in Haaretz (registration required)

America's neo-Nazi terrorists have a powerful new patron: Vladimir Putin | Opinion

which details Putin's interest in the US far-right and their links with his ideologues.

Unless we assume that Putin's interest in interfering in US elections in an attempt to disrupt American politics is confined to his support for Trump and that he has no other strings to his bow, then the Sanders campaign looks like an ideal target -- are you aware of any precautions they're taking against this danger?
 

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Both US and British intelligence believe social media manipulation is a real thing and have said so in public.
I believe it's a real thing, too, but that its scale and effectiveness is deliberately not discussed when it is reported. As a smear. Sorry. Worse, as propaganda. And that true-blue American manipulation is not discussed, or it's even dismissed as conspiracy. Gaslighting. The most charitable thing you can say about the reporting on social media manipulation is that it is used as an excuse for not evaluating the real failures in the American political system. The Russians did it.

My impression of the Bernie supporters is that they’re not better or worse than most, but they are very definitely younger on average, and it’s just inevitable some of them will be kinda green.
I've said as much, myself.
 

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I'm simply commenting on the clip for which you invited me to search.

If he offered anything more than "we're against bad things" in the clip, I must have missed it -- perhaps you could direct me to it.

And the statement that the Sanders campaign offers a particularly attractive target to entryists from both the far right and the far left isn't "a smear," as you put it (a phrase that seems work in much the same way as "fake news" to dismiss points someone finds inconvenient). It's a simple statement of fact.

Coincidentally, I was just reading this, in Haaretz (registration required)

America's neo-Nazi terrorists have a powerful new patron: Vladimir Putin | Opinion

which details Putin's interest in the US far-right and their links with his ideologues.

Unless we assume that Putin's interest in interfering in US elections in an attempt to disrupt American politics is confined to his support for Trump and that he has no other strings to his bow, then the Sanders campaign looks like an ideal target -- are you aware of any precautions they're taking against this danger?
I managed to snag it with iOS app Pocket.

America's neo-Nazi Terrorists Have a Powerful New Patron: Vladimir Putin
 

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I believe it's a real thing, too, but that its scale and effectiveness is deliberately not discussed when it is reported. As a smear. Sorry. Worse, as propaganda. And that true-blue American manipulation is not discussed, or it's even dismissed as conspiracy. Gaslighting. The most charitable thing you can say about the reporting on social media manipulation is that it is used as an excuse for not evaluating the real failures in the American political system. The Russians did it.



I've said as much, myself.
“Smear” and “gaslighting” are not arguments. Anyone familiar with the tech does not need reams of proof to see the social media manipulation in action.

I’m not a fan of the Russian government and don’t give a damn what gets lobbed at them.

You’re still criticizing for mere lack of enthusiasm. It makes no sense, and it’s very atypical of the grassroots, down to earth flavor of most Bernie support.
 

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Random Discord chat.

Troll: I'm sick and tired of the overuse of the word Nazi.
Me: Yeah, especially Feminazi. I mean, what are they trying to communicate there?
Troll has left the chat.
 

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"Vote for us because we're against bad things" is, on its own, a terrible argument and one that attracts entryists of the far-right and far-left both.
Sanders' campaign policies and platform are pretty well known and publicly available. Do we really have to list them every single time we discuss things?
 

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Limbaugh faking lung cancer the same way Michael J Fox fakes Parkinson's.

Rush Limbaugh says he has been diagnosed with advanced lung cancer - CNN
And the fake president is going to give him a fake medal for it:


Of course, since Rush is Dump's kind of guy:


🤮
 

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Internet preacher intends to sue NFL: "Watching J-Lo and Shakira put me in danger of hellfire"

Radical right-wing activist Dave Daubenmire spent most of his “Pass The Salt Live” webcast yesterday threatening to sue the National Football League for broadcasting unsolicited “crotch shots” into his home during the Super Bowl halftime show, thereby jeopardizing his eternal salvation.

“I think we ought to sue,” he said. “Would that halftime show, would that have been rated PG? Were there any warnings that your 12-year-old son—whose hormones are just starting to operate—was there any warning that what he was going to see might cause him to get sexually excited?”

“I think we ought to go sit down in a courtroom and present this as evidence of how whoever [put on the halftime show] is keeping me from getting into the kingdom of Heaven,” Daubenmire added. “Could I go into a courtroom and say, ‘Viewing what you put on that screen put me in danger of hellfire’? Could the court say, ‘That doesn’t apply here because the right to [produce] porn overrides your right to [not] watch it’? Yeah, well, you didn’t tell me I was gonna watch it! You just brought it into my living room. You didn’t tell me there were gonna be crotch shots!”

Daubenmire declared that the halftime performance was a blatant example of anti-Christian discrimination because he should be able to watch the Super Bowl without having to see things that conflict with his values.

Daubenmire appears to be quite serious, as he posted a follow-up video on Facebook saying that he is looking for a lawyer who will file a class action lawsuit against Pepsi, the NFL, and his local cable company on his behalf.
Oh my. Well hey look at the bright side there, Preach - at least you'd know for sure that you won't have to disown your 12-year-old son for being one of them humma-sexuals.

On the other hand it was....freaking J-Lo and Shakira. WTH did you expect, a square-dance? All you had to do was change the dang channel when the show started.
 

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Internet preacher intends to sue NFL: "Watching J-Lo and Shakira put me in danger of hellfire"



Oh my. Well hey look at the bright side there, Preach - at least you'd know for sure that you won't have to disown your 12-year-old son for being one of them humma-sexuals.

On the other hand it was....freaking J-Lo and Shakira. WTH did you expect, a square-dance? All you had to do was change the dang channel when the show started.
I'm actually pretty certain nobody tied him to a chair, held his eyes open with toothpicks, and forced him to watch the halftime show. He did that all of his own free will. But, hey, if he wants to make a complete fool of himself in the courtroom AND pay NFL's legal fees for the privilege of doing so... Well, more power to him.
 

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And now for something completely different:

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Jurors in Harvey Weinstein’s New York rape trial were shown naked photographs of the former Hollywood producer on Tuesday over his lawyers’ objections.
Look I'm just saying, I know we all wish that someday former-POTUS Trump will be put on trial for all his sexual assaults, but consider for a moment what we'll be inflicting on twelve more innocent people...