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Well the thing with Mastodon is that it is federated, yes. And so far only had a small fraction of the amount of users Twitter has. In October 2021 Mastodon finally reached around 1 million users, meaning it took roughly six years to gain this user base.

For comparison: Barack Obama has around 133.3 million followers right now.

So there is much room for growth. For Mastodon one thing is crystal clear: it matters which server you are joining, because every server defines its own rules about which topics are allowed and not, meaning they are moderated and stuff might be censored as well.

And also don't think that Mastodon is a nice place, or better than Twitter. It is not. Actor and writer Wil Wheaton joined in 2018 Mastodon, after he shut down his Twitter account. His experience was dramatic and really bad, in his opinion Mastodon back then was actually a worse place than Twitter.

Shortly after he created his account, the admin of that server got 60 reports about it and shut it down.

To quote him: "I thought that if I left Twitter, I could find a new social network that would give it some competition (Twitter’s monopoly on the social space is a big reason it can ignore people who are abused and harassed, while punishing people for reporting their attackers), so I fired up this account I made at Mastodon a long time ago.

I thought I’d find something different. I thought I’d find a smaller community that was more like Twitter was way back in 2008 or 2009. Cat pictures! Jokes! Links to interesting things that we found in the backwaters of the internet! Interaction with friends we just haven’t met, yet! What I found was … not that.

I found a harsh reality that I’m still trying to process: thousands of people who don’t know me, who have never interacted with me, who internalized a series of lies about me, who were never willing to give me a chance. I was harassed from the minute I made my account, and though I expected the “shut up wesley”s and “go fuck yourself”s to taper off after a day or so, it never did. And even though I never broke any rules on the server I joined (Mastodon is individual “instances” which is like a server, which connects to the “federated timeline”, which is what all the other servers are), one of its admins told me they were suspending my account, because they got 60 (!) reports overnight about my account, and they didn’t want to deal with the drama.

I respect and support that person’s decision, because it’s a private server and it’s run with their time, energy, attention, and (presumably) money. I don’t agree with it at all, and I think it’s deeply unfair, as well as rewarding abuse of a reporting system that’s meant to protect users, but it’s their site and it’s their rules, and I can’t say I blame them. The people going after me were pretty awful, and I can only imagine that an admin would get fed up with them, too."

 
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The problem I'm having with Mastedon is I can't get them to send me the verification email lol. I signed up for the New Zealand server yesterday morning, and nothing yet. I might try a different server today I guess.
 
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Do try a different server; you can migrate to the original server more easily than figure out why the email isn't coming through.
 

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For comparison: Barack Obama has around 133.3 million followers right now.
If they could somehow get a Barak Obama, or hell, even maybe an AOC to join, would help.

And also don't think that Mastodon is a nice place, or better than Twitter. It is not. Actor and writer Wil Wheaton joined in 2018 Mastodon, after he shut down his Twitter account. His experience was dramatic and really bad, in his opinion Mastodon back then was actually a worse place than Twitter.
Yeah. Its not anywhere near Wil Wheaton's problem, but I kind of find it annoying when random people start harrassing you about alt tags on images or using Content Warnings for the most mundane shit.

I mean, I am all for inclusion, but a lot of the time, the post itself describes the image, and the CW stuff sometimes veers a little too far into the "really, people are offended by THAT?" area.
 

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Let's give this a try. I opened a Twitter account ages ago. First time I tried to tweet I couldn't edit to 140 characters, so I gave up. Maybe I will use this account.
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What happened to Wil Wheaton sounds absolutely horrific, but it is absolutely not representative of the average user's experience.

I think Wil Wheaton was uniquely susceptible to this kind of abuse because unfortunately the alt-right made a meme out of attacking him specifically, and it's true that Mastodon doesn't have any more special protections against that kind of targeted harassment than Twitter does. In fact it can even seem worse since your Mastodon experience is tightly focused around what the people you follow are saying and what people are saying to you directly - there's no algorithmically-created feed of other, unrelated posts to fill the space in between and dilute the harassment. The closest Mastodon has is the Local feed which just shows you what everyone in your instance is saying, regardless of topic.

It's probably also the case that Wheaton was likely one of the first "celebrities" to try to join Mastodon and he did so at a time 4 or 5 years ago when it was largely inhabited by hardcore FOSS nerds and a not-insignificant number of them were there because they were too toxic for more popular social media. I think in the time since then though, the character of the user base has changed a lot. Mainstream servers now typically cut off troll and nazi servers from access. And this new inflow of users is going to change the culture even more - and for the better, I think, simply because the kinds of people who would leave Twitter because of Musk and what he's doing to it are generally the kind of people who, like, care about facts and other people and their experience.
 
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Part of Wheaton's reputation also comes from stupid stuff he said as a teenager, when he was in the glare of publicity for ST:TNG. From what I've seen, he really did grow out of his prejudices, but as a celebrity, it's hard to escape from past mistakes because they are so very public. And in later years, he simply didn't have as large a platform to air his adult views as he did back when he was a teen. It's made him an easier target for misunderstandings, such as him being a trans-hater.

Even knowing that intellectually, I have to confess that I struggle with keeping "mature Wil" foremost in my mind. I observed him as a teenager (maybe 16? 17?) at a minor Trek con when I was part of a guest group that went out to dinner. Wil was there with his mother and his girlfriend of the time. He was awful. Rude, petulant, self-absorbed, necking with his girlfriend at the table while we ate. That early celebrity did not do him any favors.
 

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Even knowing that intellectually, I have to confess that I struggle with keeping "mature Wil" foremost in my mind. I observed him as a teenager (maybe 16? 17?) at a minor Trek con when I was part of a guest group that went out to dinner. Wil was there with his mother and his girlfriend of the time. He was awful. Rude, petulant, self-absorbed, necking with his girlfriend at the table while we ate. That early celebrity did not do him any favors.
I want to second this. I mean, I don't exactly hate him, but I still find him a little annoying.

Another one like this is Felicia Day, who, funny enough, seems to often be adjacent to Wil Wheaton.

Maybe its just something about their "brand" of geek that I don't care for.
 

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1) Apparently another website I'm on actually is part of Mastodon (who knew?), but, like normal, I didn't really say anything there. I knew I was on the Lol version of Mastodon by looking at the dates of the posts I did back in April. But I can't figure out how else to tell how long I've been on there. Is there a way to tell? Curious how long ago I joined that other version of Mastodon.

2) At least one Mastodon admin/user feels like they are experiencing a home invasion.
 

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At least one Mastodon admin/user feels like they are experiencing a home invasion.
For those of us who have been on SLU/VVO long enough to remember, we went through exactly that experience many years ago when another SL forum crashed and burned. A large and rowdy group of posters -- who were accustomed to no moderation -- flooded through the gates of SLU, forever changing the pace and tenor of postings. I was a member of both groups, as it happened, so I had very mixed feelings about the merger of populations. On the one hand, I was delighted to see so many people I knew, on the other hand, the influx definitely changed the tone of the community that existed here already.

I'm pretty happy, however, with the way it all turned out in the end. Despite some rough patches, a new singular community gelled. With luck Mastodon will find that same balance. A different place, but still a place worth being.
 

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Lately I have actually been kind of womdering if Tumblr might be a better alternative to Mastodon.
 
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Oh, oh right. Mastodon handles and stuff.

@chalice@toot.site - here ya go.

Is it time to pester Cristiano yet for Mastodon handle symbols to the left of posts here?
 
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Oh, oh right. Mastodon handles and stuff.

@chalice@toot.site - here ya go.

Is it time to pester Cristiano yet for Mastodon handle symbols to the left of posts here?
Post it in the Site Feedback forum; he might want to trim and update the Identities list at the same time.
 

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Playing around with Mastodon right now, installing a public single user instance was easier than I thought it would turn out. I thought about this, because it is based on Ruby on Rails, which I do hate with a passion. But my site is up and running so far and works.

The most obvious difference between Mastodon and Twitter is the timeline; if you don't know anyone on Twitter this does not matter, Twitter will fill it for you. With Mastodon it is a different story, here you've got to first to follow some people on such an instance before you will see anything. Of course when joining a bigger, public instance this is not an issue.

I have also found out the most closely guarded secret of the software: federation relays. Federation relays are specialised hosts, which are just exchanging lots of public content between instances. This means your instance will have content, even if you are not following anybody yet. You can also use it to search stuff. So they are kind like supernodes in Skype used to be.

Finding the host name of federation relays is tricky, and even then the admin of them needs you to approve subscribing his choice of stuff.

This is not something which will affect you if you're joining a public instance; but of interest if you are setting up your own instance.

Also this here is for me a major annoyance: View older posts from other servers · Issue #17213 · mastodon/mastodon

This means when you're using your Mastodon account on your instance to view a remote profile (not followed yet), the web UI will only display a view of the available posts of it. If you want to view more, then you will be only greeted with this link at the bottom of the web UI:



On the other hand these older posts might be displayed then in your Federated timeline. Bummer.

This is unfortunately a six year old open problem, and still not resolved, meaning probably hard to solve due to the used protocols under the hood. It's definitely something which works against what new users will be expecting about how the system should behave.

I first thought that this was just a behaviour I could change in the settings, oh boy was I wrong about that one. It is really a pity that this is still not done.
 

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After a few days of exploration, Mastodon reminds me more of Facebook or a forum community than it does Twitter. That's not a good or bad thing, just an observation. I think people trying to recreate Twitter on Mastodon are going to be unhappy, and will probably make a lot of Mastodon users unhappy in the process. That's a prediction.
 
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