#JAILTOTHECHIEF- Shit Just Got Real

[Innula Zenovka]

You've probably heard a variation of an old business proverb: "If you owe the bank $2,000, you have a problem. If you owe the bank $2,000,000,000, the bank has a problem."

I doubt DB is champing at the bit to have the planet get any more knowledge of how badly they screwed up, much less to prosecute him and wipe out any hope, however baseless, of being repaid.

In the UK, it wouldn't be a matter for the bank. It would be the Serious Fraud Office and (possibly, because of the money laundering implications) the National Crime Agency who investigated and prosecuted the matter.

Since fraud is (I assume) a criminal offence in the USA, surely it would be for either the FBI or whoever in New York investigates complex financial crime to pursue the matter, wouldn't it?

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

In the UK, it wouldn't be a matter for the bank. It would be the Serious Fraud Office and (possibly, because of the money laundering implications) the National Crime Agency who investigated and prosecuted the matter.

Since fraud is (I assume) a criminal offence in the USA, surely it would be for either the FBI or whoever in New York investigates complex financial crime to pursue the matter, wouldn't it?

Normally, I'd say yes. But this is Donald Trump we're talking about here, and normal rules don't seem to apply with him.

 

[Casey Pelous]

In the UK, it wouldn't be a matter for the bank. It would be the Serious Fraud Office and (possibly, because of the money laundering implications) the National Crime Agency who investigated and prosecuted the matter.

Since fraud is (I assume) a criminal offence in the USA, surely it would be for either the FBI or whoever in New York investigates complex financial crime to pursue the matter, wouldn't it?

1) Legally, yes. Practically speaking, I think they'd have a heck of a time proving fraud if the alleged victim was saying, "No, no! Fine! Everything's PERFECTLY FINE! Thanks so much for your concern but, really, there's NO PROBLEM HERE AT ALL!" Of course, if there is advantage for the bank to be had, then all bets are off and his goose is, perhaps, finally cooked.

2) Stop calling me Shirley.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

1) Legally, yes. Practically speaking, I think they'd have a heck of a time proving fraud if the alleged victim was saying, "No, no! Fine! Everything's PERFECTLY FINE! Thanks so much for your concern but, really, there's NO PROBLEM HERE AT ALL!" Of course, if there is advantage for the bank to be had, then all bets are off and his goose is, perhaps, finally cooked.

2) Stop calling me Shirley.

I don't know what the US law on fraud is like, but in the UK the simple fact that he'd massively overstated his wealth on a loan application would probably be all the prosecution needed. The bank's willingness or otherwise to cooperate with the prosecutors wouldn't really matter a great deal.

 

[Casey Pelous]

I don't think it would be a Federal matter here, Innula. Just quickly looking at the US statues on fraud, they all seem to address fraud against the US Government, not private parties. That would push it to the State level -- and as minimal as my expertise is on Federal law, it's even more diminutive in the area of New York (?) state law regarding loans made by (foreign?) banks. If, however, the loan was made from an NYC branch -- well, the dreaded SDNY prosecutor's office may need to order up some more coal for the steam engine.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I don't think it would be a Federal matter here, Innula. Just quickly looking at the US statues on fraud, they all seem to address fraud against the US Government, not private parties. That would push it to the State level -- and as minimal as my expertise is on Federal law, it's even more diminutive in the area of New York (?) state law regarding loans made by (foreign?) banks. If, however, the loan was made from an NYC branch -- well, the dreaded SDNY prosecutor's office may need to order up some more coal for the steam engine.

I dunno. The US is very keen to extradite Brits on charges of "wire fraud" for any potentially fraudulent conduct that involved telephonic or electronic communications that even passed through US territory.

The case of the NatWest Three (aka the Enron Three) springs to mind here.

 

[Casey Pelous]

I dunno. The US is very keen to extradite Brits on charges of "wire fraud" for any potentially fraudulent conduct that involved telephonic or electronic communications that even passed through US territory.

The case of the NatWest Three (aka the Enron Three) springs to mind here.

Ah. Indeed. I had not considered the interstate aspects of the fraud, and you're right -- that makes it federal.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

 

[Innula Zenovka]

America pays for the wall: thieves mock Trump by stealing border razor wire

Fifteen people reportedly arrested for robbing concertina wire installed by US authorities and selling it to locals in Tijuana

www.theguardian.com

Mexicans are building fences, and America has already paid for them.

In recent months, US authorities have unrolled miles of razor wire along the border with Mexico as part of efforts to “harden” the frontier and deter migrants from entering America illegally.

But thieves in the city of Tijuana have made a mockery of Donald Trump’s attempts at beefing up border security by stealing the razor wire and reselling it to local residents in Mexico.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

Millions of people overall have been killed?

Clearly, math - and numbers in general - are not Trump's strong points.

 

[Grandma Bates]

Millions of people overall have been killed?

Clearly, math - and numbers in general - are not Trump's strong points.

Interestingly, the US fatalities are between 4 and 5 thousand. The number of Iraqi fatalities will never be known, and only the most extreme anti-war sources have numbers like the President is repeating. Given the comparatively low number of American fatalities he is directly implicating the US in an atrocious massacre and catastrophe. When Democrats say these sort of things the Republicans go apoplectic and begin asking why the Democrats are "apologizing" for America. Seems like it is okay for a Republican President to do the exact same thing while spitting on the grave of a well regarded Republican veteran and former POW.

In other news, I am no longer surprised by this crap.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

Seems like it is okay for a Republican President to do the exact same thing while spitting on the grave of a well regarded Republican veteran and former POW.

Yeah, about that. Seems he's butthurt for not receiving thanks for allowing McCain's funeral to happen:

Trump Complains He Never Got Thank You for John McCain's Funeral

 

[Ava Glasgow]

Yeah, about that. Seems he's butthurt for not receiving thanks for allowing McCain's funeral to happen:

Trump Complains He Never Got Thank You for John McCain's Funeral

I gotta say, I don't believe him. It's just too out of character for a long-time high profile political family.

My guess is that they sent a very formal and gracious thank you note with a tasteful memento, but that he was unimpressed because it wasn't gold and plastered with his name, so he discarded it two minutes later and forgot about it like the toddler he is.

 

[Ava Glasgow]

Just posted on NYT: Trump Says Mueller Report Should Be Made Public: ‘Let People See It’

Of course we all know that this doesn't mean shit, any more than the statement that he would release his taxes. But I found his statements quoted at the end of the article really fucking weird (but normal for Trump).

Mr. Trump said on Wednesday that he was looking forward to reading the report. But he told reporters he thought he should not have to bother with the special counsel investigation by dint of his “tremendous” Electoral College victory in 2016.

“It’s sort of interesting that a man, out of the blue, just writes a report,” he said. “I think it’s ridiculous.”

How the fuck is this our real reality?

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

Oh, brother!

 

[Tiffy Vella]

The only thing requested of Trump re McCains funeral was that he not attend.
The fucker is still making everything about himself for simply letting a funeral happen.

Guys a dick.

 

[Ava Glasgow]

The only thing requested of Trump re McCains funeral was that he not attend.
The fucker is still making everything about himself for simply letting a funeral happen.

Guys a dick.

Lol, you're right!

Cathedral: Trump didn’t need to sign off on McCain’s funeral

President Trump said that he “had to approve” the funeral for Sen. John McCain — but the cathedral where the service was held said Thursday that no presidential OK was needed, sought or granted. “O…

nypost.com

“Only a state funeral for a former president involves consultation with government officials. No funeral at the cathedral requires the approval of the president or any other government official,” the Washington National Cathedral said in a statement, CNN reported.

The church added that it dealt solely with McCain’s family on the arrangements for the August services.

 

[Galen McGinnis]

More like Poutus ... sheesh.

Anyway, as the B5 thread seems to have missed the jump...

 

[Galen McGinnis]

Pull on your big boy diapers and ...

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Something I saw on Faceboop just now...