How COVID-19 is affecting society

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From the New Yorker of April 4
“The thing people don’t understand about South Georgia is it’s so rural,” Morgan told me. “There’s a Third World country up underneath a First World country.”
This is true of Appalachia, too. Back when my wife's parents were alive, we would drive to southern Ohio every year for various family gatherings. The last leg of our journey took us through pockets of rural poverty that rival those of 3rd world countries.
 

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  1. Familiar Tea Party names are fueling protests and sharing info with Trump’s task force
  2. Deep-pocketed Libertarians and militia extremists have united against public health orders
  3. A White House adviser is cheerleading the movement
  4. When conservative bigwigs asked for help, the Trump administration provided it
  5. Trump fuels supporters’ rage even as the White House claims ignorance of protests
 

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I often think about how the last 3 years + would have gone had Trump not been elected. Now I find myself thinking, in particular how the response to the virus would have differed. She likely would have taken it much more seriously at an earlier date, she most likely would be listening to a host of medical professionals before making any statements or decrees and I doubt that she would be overtly or covertly supporting organizations that endanger the citizens' lives.

We would still be facing many of the same problems particularly within the healthcare industry and within large urban centers and with the effects upon business.

I'm fairly certain that these same groups (after all, some of them played a major part in *creating* the Tea Party) would be doing as they are, but probably even louder as they would have had a singular target, much like they had in Obama, in focusing their anger/propagdanda, etc... I wonder if they will find themselves having more difficulty in recruiting average people to join them in opposing their own state governments, which people often feel closer to, as well as having it be less directed due to there being 50 Governors, etc..vs that one target.
 

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Airlines are also badly hit, with Boeing a residual casualty since no one is going to order new planes if the current planes aren't in service. And what we're learning as a society -- most especially in business class -- is that airflight is an optional expense. The lockdown has been a major shove toward virtual meetings and remote work in my industry. Clients who clung to old methods and patterns have been dragged into the modern world and that experience can't be undone. As they look for ways to cut costs in the lean times ahead, travel is now expendable.

These are just the most obvious consequences. Many more are going to emerge over time.
There's one good thing that could come from this: the airlines that survive will likely make cattle class a lot more humane as they compete fiercely to fill seats.
 

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The anti-quarantine protests seem spontaneous. But behind the scenes, a powerful network is helping.



Beat me to posting it. They are astroturf, pure and simple. The ppl they tricked are just pawns setting themselves up to catch it.
 

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And that is surprising for a third world country in what particular way? Because sorry to tell you the sad truth... in most aspects they are one.
Oh, we know we are no longer king of the hill. Although donnie and his cult think otherwise.
 

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Social distancing will be needed until at least the end of the year to prevent fresh outbreaks of coronavirus even though the UK has reached the peak of the current epidemic, the government’s chief medical officer has said.

Prof Chris Whitty, the UK’s most senior medic, said it was important to be realistic that “highly disruptive” social distancing would need to be in place for “really quite a long period of time”.

He said there was only an “incredibly small” chance of a vaccine or treatments being ready for use this year, and social distancing would have to stay in place to suppress outbreaks until then.

His stark assessment dampened hopes that the lockdown would be largely removed when it is reviewed in just over a fortnight.

“We have to be very realistic,” he said. “If people are hoping it’s suddenly going to move from where we are in lockdown to where suddenly into everything is gone, that is a wholly unrealistic expectation.

“We are going to have to do a lot of things for really quite a long period of time, the question is what is the best package and this is what we’re trying to work out.

“If you release more on one area, you have to keep on board more of another area so there’s a proper trade-off and this is what ministers are having to consider.”
 

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Manufactured outrage. Women take their kids to the park, which has its playground equipment unavailable due to the virus (who would have thought that would be done with hard plastic surfaces), confront the officers, complain about taxes and constitutional rights, asks to be arrested, then tries to drum up support among everyone else in the park, as well as suddenly being so very concerned about her children. I bet you 10 to 1 that this woman has a really nice backyard with jungle equipment.

According to this article, it was entirely pre-planned by an organization called The Idaho Freedom Foundation which then held a protest of 1,000 people in front of City Hall.

Meridian woman arrested during protest after refusing to leave a closed playground

First five minutes or so:

 

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That woman above? She's also an anti-vaxxer which is not surprising at all. She fought her school district over immunization requirements, as well.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/article171926487.html

ETA: Also found that the organization behind this stunt, The Idaho Freedom Foundation has among it's funding Koch and Coors money.

The rightwing groups behind wave of protests against Covid-19 restrictions

The protest has been heavily promoted by the Idaho Freedom Foundation (IFF), which counts among its donors “dark money” funds linked to the Koch brothers such as Donors Capital Fund, and Castle Rock, a foundation seeded with part of the fortune of Adolph Coors, the rightwing beer magnate.
 
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You may find this interesting -- I don't agree with all of it but it does go some way to explaining why Brits tend to regard our NHS very differently from the way people in the US tend to view healthcare




While I'd question whether a National Health Service is a particularly socialist idea (Saudi Arabia isn't a particularly socialist place, and neither is South Korea), I think it's true to say many places, and particularly the UK, regard health care as something it's the government's job to provide, just as it's the government's job to maintain our armed forces rather than rely on mercenaries.
From the article: "health, and its socialist symbolism, has become the overriding priority, the most important determinant of policy."

"Socialist symbolism" is a bit of purple prose. Gov. Cuomo hardly qualifies as socialist, but he ended today's question-answer session of his briefing by asking the press how much is a life worth. They were questioning costs of testing (I think, don't want to rewatch it). I think he just takes the value of human lives as the motivation for his pragmatism.

Also, he, too, does not want to get into determining who is to blame. It wastes energy when there are more important things to do. He gets questions along those lines and refuses to speculate.

Cuomo tells mayors who are feeling pressure to reopen to blame him because the stay-at-home order is his, after all. It's Cuomo's fault! He tells protestors who want to start working again to go get an essential job. People are hiring.
 

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We're never going to get back to normal, in the sense of life BC (before Covid-19), since the changes caused by the pandemic are so vast and with such incalculable consequences, but I expect that establishing any sort of new normal is going to take a couple of years at least.
I'm old enough to have met people who lived through the Great Depression, like the nice old lady who lived in the next apartment when I was a kid. People of her generation didn't throw anything away. My brother and I got a giant ball of string from her, which provided us with endless fun. But the idea of saving something as mundane as string is probably foreign to younger folks.
 

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