How COVID-19 is affecting society

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You know, when I was a kid, our parents had to provide the schools with "proof" that we had our immunizations which was nothing more than a form provided by the physician's office that administered the immunizations showing what and when. I don't think that has changed. So why isn't the same required of all health care professionals that come into contact with patients? Obviously, parents wouldn't figure into the equation unless you were underage. You (general) do it for your kids to go to school because it's the law, but you won't do it to keep your job because it's the law? What the hell is wrong with you?
 

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I wonder if everyone in Berlin can afford a cellphone.

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I don't know how Germany do it, but here you can either print off your COVID pass or ask for a printed copy to be mailed to you.

 

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When we were in Italy they accepted the "Green Pass" on the phone which only could be obtained in Europe and they also accepted our CDC card. We had to show it at restaurants, museums, etc. Mostly anywhere you'd spend time inside the building. I kept my vax card handy in the front pocket of my purse and didn't find it intrusive at all.
 

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Same in Canada. Beep. Flash ID. In you go. Civic duty, yo.

I don't know how Germany do it, but here you can either print off your COVID pass or ask for a printed copy to be mailed to you.

I keep it in Photos on my phone. FIL without a fancy phone printed it out and went to the local Office supply store and they laminated for him a wallet sized card for $3.
 

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Is this not how it is in US? If not, what do they check?
(Sorry, haven’t followed the thread for a while)
 

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Innula's in the UK, and they've fallen and hit their heads on the national level lately. Australia used to be the Florida of the Commonwealth, now it's Jolly Olde England.
 
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Innula's in the UK, and they've fallen and hit their heads on the national level lately. Australia used to be the Florida of the Commonwealth, now it's Jolly Olde England.
We're getting hit by omicron in a big way, but I think you'll see from the map that we're by no means the worst hit in Europe, though Omicron is only just taking hold here (and elsewhere) and things will look very different, and a lot worse, I fear, by the new year.

Canada and the US are not, I fear, going to be far behind us.

We don't yet know how serious it is if you're infected, but unless you're double-vaxxed with a booster, you're certainly vulnerable, and it's spreading very rapidly indeed.


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We're not yet sure how serious infections are if you're vaccinated but the fear is, that with such a high rate of infection, it takes only a small proportion of those case to require hospital treatment to place an intolerable burden on an already overstretched health service.

That's the big worry -- not just what it means for people unfortunate enough to require hospitalization for Covid but what it means for anyone who requires hospital treatment for anything.
 

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Unfortunately, it’s hospital staff (and everyone still waiting for appointments for other ailments) that will pay for it, but this insane coverage is driving me batty.

I fear those who still aren’t vaccinated won’t be suddenly convinced because there’s another strain going around. So sick of Covid News all day and every day. Over 80% are fully vaccinated here, I’m not sure what it is exactly they want us to do. We’re vaccinated, wash our hands, wear masks…
 

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Sorry about that, it was Corbyn and his stance on vaccinations and jab passports I had in mind with the fallen and hit one's head comment.
I think that a strange concatenation of circumstances has placed Johnson in a position where, for all the wrong reasons, he's forced to do the right thing.

That is, while he absolutely hates having to do it, he's more willing than otherwise he'd be to introduce these new restrictions, with the threat of more to come, because, if he has to have headlines about Tory MPs baying for his blood, it may was well be about doing the responsible thing and protecting the country rather than parties and lying about them, and who paid for his extravagant redecoration of the Downing Street flat, and the impending electoral disaster tomorrow in what should be one of the safest Conservative seats in the country.

It's his famous "dead cat" tactic all over again, but this time the cat gave one of its lives in a good cause.

It also helps, I think, that Rishi Sunak and Sajid Javid are both very much front-runners to replace Johnson, so it's very much in their interests that the NHS is protected, that the vaccination programme succeeds, because that's that the general public, as opposed to Tory MPs, are worried about, so they want to be seen as competent good guys while Tory MPs get angry with Johnson (whose problems with parties, and lies, and general mismanagement and corruption won't go away).

To be fair, if we have to have a Tory government, I'd far rather it were led by either Sunak or Javid than by most of the other potential candidates, since they're both very intelligent and able, which is a hell of a lot more than can be said for many of their colleagues.

They also have more or less coherent political and economic principles with which I don't particularly agree, but at least they've got some.

ETA: To continue my riff on Sunak and Javid, both of them made fortunes in finance and economic forecasting before they went into politics, and they made their money by taking projections seriously, even if what they predict is unwelcome, and understanding how to take decisions in a highly uncertain environment. This kind of complex risk analysis has been a major field of economic research, as I understand it, ever since Lehman Brothers.

So they know the number of lives people are gambling with if Omicron does prove as serious as it might well be and preventative steps aren't taken in time.
 
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Unfortunately, it’s hospital staff (and everyone still waiting for appointments for other ailments) that will pay for it, but this insane coverage is driving me batty.

I fear those who still aren’t vaccinated won’t be suddenly convinced because there’s another strain going around. So sick of Covid News all day and every day. Over 80% are fully vaccinated here, I’m not sure what it is exactly they want us to do. We’re vaccinated, wash our hands, wear masks…
A prediction by a friend a few weeks ago on Twitter. I think she nailed it. :