Covid-19 vaccine thread

[Innula Zenovka]

or an anti-vaxxer fabrication...

The first rule of lying is to stick as close to the truth as possible, of course, and I think that the most successful fake news always has a grain of truth hidden somewhere in it.

I mean, we know that the NHS announced, within hours of starting the emergency vaccination programme, that two NHS workers had suffered allergic reactions to the vaccine, and people who'd ever had a similar reaction shouldn't be vaccinated. It's going to happen in a few other places, too.

Covid-19 vaccine: Allergy warning over new jab

People with history of significant allergic reactions told not to have Pfizer/BioNTech jab.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Luisa Land]

I have a friend who told me that there is a health care worker in Ohio who was one of the first to receive the vaccine, and agreed to be monitored via a live stream camera for several days, so that folks could see in real time what her side effects were. My friend said that the nurse has gotten sick and the stream has been cut off.

Now I have no idea if this is true or not. I cannot find anything on it in my googling. Does anybody else know anything about this? I'm thinking maybe she saw it on FB, so am not believing any of it until confirmed by other sources.

My information is that the observed side effects after vaccination (in the UK and Alaska) were all allergic reactions.
Such allergic reactions occur very quickly after vaccination. That is why people are offered, I have read, to sit down here in the vaccination centre after vaccination and wait a few minutes to see if such a reaction occurs.
This story about permanent observation by camera sounds a bit strange. Who wants to be observed for 24 hours? And even if they do, the person being filmed surely has contacts who might ask what's going on if there is no more image transmission.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Oxford vaccine still under review, says UK medicine agency

Jab could be given green light by 28 December, triggering immediate NHS distribution

www.theguardian.com

I think the problem must be that they're still trying to determine the dosing they need to approve for optimum effectiveness, and that's what's causing the delay.

 

[Arkady Arkright]

Such allergic reactions occur very quickly after vaccination. That is why people are offered, I have read, to sit down here in the vaccination centre after vaccination and wait a few minutes to see if such a reaction occurs.

That's certainly been the case in past years with the flu jab in the UK - although this year they didn't do it (presumably didn't want too many people hanging around in the waiting room).

 

[Jopsy Pendragon]

My information is that the observed side effects after vaccination (in the UK and Alaska) were all allergic reactions.
Such allergic reactions occur very quickly after vaccination. That is why people are offered, I have read, to sit down here in the vaccination centre after vaccination and wait a few minutes to see if such a reaction occurs.
This story about permanent observation by camera sounds a bit strange. Who wants to be observed for 24 hours? And even if they do, the person being filmed surely has contacts who might ask what's going on if there is no more image transmission.

Haven't had an anaphylactic shock reaction yet, despite being allergic to a metric buttload of different things. I'm probably fine for getting the pfizer vaccine, but would prefer the moderna if I can get it without having to wait too much longer.

In my experience, clinics have a 30 minute observation period for possible allergic reactions. If a reaction is going to happen it's generally obvious within half that time. Problem is, exposure is cumulative over a period of a few days, so one could leave observation feeling fine, then run into a normally very trivial allergy trigger later that day and *bam* full-blown histamine response.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

That's certainly been the case in past years with the flu jab in the UK - although this year they didn't do it (presumably didn't want too many people hanging around in the waiting room).

According to the NHS website,

It's very rare for anyone to have a serious allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) to the flu vaccine. If this does happen, it usually happens within minutes.

The person who vaccinates you will be trained to deal with allergic reactions and treat them immediately.

Flu vaccine

Find out about the flu vaccine for adults, including who should have it, how to get it and side effects.

www.nhs.uk

When I had my shot the nurse waited a short while after entering some date into the computer before asking me if I was feeling at all unwell, and inspecting the site, and then warning me about possible side effects (and how to distinguish them from Covid-19)).

 

[Luisa Land]

Haven't had an anaphylactic shock reaction yet, despite being allergic to a metric buttload of different things. I'm probably fine for getting the pfizer vaccine, but would prefer the moderna if I can get it without having to wait too much longer.

In my experience, clinics have a 30 minute observation period for possible allergic reactions. If a reaction is going to happen it's generally obvious within half that time. Problem is, exposure is cumulative over a period of a few days, so one could leave observation feeling fine, then run into a normally very trivial allergy trigger later that day and *bam* full-blown histamine response.

Hello Jopsy
I didn't save the information, but it said that researchers suspect that the allergic reaction is caused by a certain substance that is contained in both the moderna and the Biontech/Pfizer vaccine. I didnt keep the name in my mind and dont find the source now.
that was just a guess. But it seems that researchers are trying to clarify the question of which element of the vaccine or what exactly triggers the reaction:
so for ppl with allergic problems it might be worthwhile to observe the concerning medical news.





"Doctors don’t yet know what the exact vaccine recommendation will be for people in the US who are at-risk of suffering from anaphylaxis, but they do expect to have guidance soon. “[Information] is going to change as they learn more details about these individuals. We have the ability to figure out: Was it a true allergic reaction? What specific part of the vaccine triggered the reaction?” Dr. Stukus says. Once those questions have been answered, doctors will be better able to answer questions"

Everything We Know Right Now About Allergic Reactions to the COVID-19 Vaccine

Here's why the headlines shouldn't be cause for panic.

www.health.com

 

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[Aribeth Zelin]

Of course he hasn't, the murderous asshole.

 

[Arkady Arkright]

When I had my shot the nurse waited a short while after entering some date into the computer before asking me if I was feeling at all unwell, and inspecting the site, and then warning me about possible side effects (and how to distinguish them from Covid-19)).

After my shot this year, when I was told not to wait the usual 10 minutes, I asked the nurse how I'd know if I'd had a reaction. Her reply was "Don't worry, you'll know well enough..."

 

[Grandma Bates]

Meanwhile, it is business as usual in Georgia:

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Meanwhile, it is business as usual in Georgia:

I'd say I'm surprised, but I'm not - in fact, the big surprise for me is that Tanner is a not for profit?! Must have happened after I no longer had to use them for emergencies.

PS, unless that's changed to, Coweta is a much wealthier county than Carroll, even though they are both rural-ish.

 

[Lexxi]

I have a friend who told me that there is a health care worker in Ohio who was one of the first to receive the vaccine, and agreed to be monitored via a live stream camera for several days, so that folks could see in real time what her side effects were. My friend said that the nurse has gotten sick and the stream has been cut off.

Now I have no idea if this is true or not. I cannot find anything on it in my googling. Does anybody else know anything about this? I'm thinking maybe she saw it on FB, so am not believing any of it until confirmed by other sources.

The first health care worker to get the vaccine in Ohio was sick for 24 hours. Mildly. About the same level as when she gets flu shots (she noted in a news article about it). That's all I found.

UC Health RN, first to get Pfizer vaccine, experienced mild side effects for 24 hours (wlwt.com)

 

[danielravennest]

I'd say I'm surprised, but I'm not - in fact, the big surprise for me is that Tanner is a not for profit?! Must have happened after I no longer had to use them for emergencies.

PS, unless that's changed to, Coweta is a much wealthier county than Carroll, even though they are both rural-ish.

They both voted heavily for Trump, so that's not a reason.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

There are a lot of "not for profit" hospitals that exist to host for-profit doctor's groups, staffing agencies, administration companies, ERs, labs, and pretty much everything but the building itself. They either get paid fees for service by the non-profit or pay a rate to use the facility. The for-profits can write off payments to the non-profit as business expenses, avoiding taxes, while the non-profit avoids taxes, especially property tax on the building. It's a win-win. Unless you are a patient.

 

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[Katheryne Helendale]

It's funny seeing all the (mainly conservative) people pointing at the three or so vaccine recipients who got allergic reactions as yet another reason to not get the vaccine, while going around claiming that Covid has a "99.997% survival rate". Whatever. That's more vaccines available for those of us who actually want it.

 

[Sredni Eel]

i, for one, can't wait to get my microchip. it would be simply stellar to be able to go places again.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

I'll get the vaccine - of course, might be even longer, living in Florida, but....

I don't miss going places all the time, but it would be nice to visit my mom, work cons, and be able to go visit friends.

 

[Sid]