Covid-19 vaccine thread

[Isabeau]

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

So, officially, we're allowed to get our vaccines now; so I guess maybe go by our pharmacy and see if they'll do it, and if not, sign up at our usual grocery store's pharmacy otherwise.

Kind of dubious though,, apparently, three hospitals have only received 1250 vaccines total.

 

[Free]

These are the things we now celebrate.

 

[Casey Pelous]

These are the things we now celebrate.

I thought the J&J vaccine still needed refrigeration -- that's not a refrigerated truck.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

I thought the J&J vaccine still needed refrigeration -- that's not a refrigerated truck.

Might be they are shipped in medical grade coolers.

 

[Casey Pelous]

Might be they are shipped in medical grade coolers.

Ah. That makes perfect sense, since they're about to get put on an airplane.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

Someone is using the Defense Production Act the way it was intended.

Biden to announce ‘historic partnership’: Merck will help make Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine, officials say

The administration officials indicated Biden would wield the powers of the Defense Production Act, a Korean War-era law, to give Merck priority in securing equipment it will need to upgrade its facilities for vaccine production, including the purchase of machinery, bags, tubing and filtration systems.

In teaming up with Merck, Johnson & Johnson has a partner with a century-long tradition of making vaccines. In the United States, Merck is the sole supplier of the combination childhood vaccine that protects against measles, mumps and rubella. It developed Gardasil, which protects against the human papillomavirus. And it won Food and Drug Administration approval for an Ebola vaccine in 2019.

But the company, which makes vaccines in North Carolina, Pennsylvania and elsewhere, encountered setbacks in its quest to develop a coronavirus vaccine. Merck announced Jan. 25 that it was halting work on two experimental shots for the virus. The vaccine did not stimulate enough antibodies in Phase 1 human clinical trials to justify continuing, the company said.

It looks like a 2-3 month process, but it will double production of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

 

[Archer]

 

[Free]

Definitely in relation to what Veritable posted above:

 

[bubblesort]

I signed up to get the vaccine on one web site (UPMC), but they haven't messaged me beyond the initial, "we will let you know when we can schedule you for the vaccine" message.

This would annoy me, but I'm not really in too much of a hurry to get the vaccine. The way I see it, they don't have their shit together yet. I would rather wait a few months to get it than spend days scouring the internet to get a shot from some organization that is still refining their processes. There will be a lot of mistakes in the rollout early on. I'm guessing the first few months, people are going to receive shots that weren't kept at the proper temperature, or receive the wrong dose, and problems like that. They are probably giving them out to people who shouldn't be getting them yet, technically. They will probably lose paperwork, so they won't know when to give you the second shot, or verify that you had the first. I know for a fact that weird things are happening that aren't being reported. Last week my uncle in Goshen, NY state, told me he went to get vaccinated at a drug store. He waited in line for a while, until the phramacist told him the vaccines were all stolen the night before. I checked, nobody reported theft. If there was no theft, then the phramacist lying about theft would still make a juicy story for a local paper if they were doing their jobs, but it looks like nobody reported on it.

So a million things can go wrong. I don't mind giving them time to fail for a few months, to get things running smoothly before they jab me. I'm being patient with the vaccine distributors.

Politically, though? Fuck everything about this. Show me an incumbent, I'll vote against them, every single time! I don't care if it's Biden, or Bernie, or Trump, or representative Perry, or governor Wolf. I don't have time to parse 'oh this person tried this but this other person got in the way'... fuck that! Send them all back to the private sector! People are dying because these lazy, stupid, useless assholes are wasting our tax revenues, to give their buddies kickbacks. They refuse to set up a halfway sane system for vaccine distribution. People in power right now need to feel heat! I'll talk shit about them every chance I get, and you should, too. Every time you see these people you need to think "people are dying because this asshole won't move his ass and get to work!" because that's what's happening. Nobody in power right now is innocent. Every last one of them needs to be swept out like the garbage they are.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I signed up to get the vaccine on one web site (UPMC), but they haven't messaged me beyond the initial, "we will let you know when we can schedule you for the vaccine" message.

This would annoy me, but I'm not really in too much of a hurry to get the vaccine. The way I see it, they don't have their shit together yet. I would rather wait a few months to get it than spend days scouring the internet to get a shot from some organization that is still refining their processes. There will be a lot of mistakes in the rollout early on. I'm guessing the first few months, people are going to receive shots that weren't kept at the proper temperature, or receive the wrong dose, and problems like that. They are probably giving them out to people who shouldn't be getting them yet, technically. They will probably lose paperwork, so they won't know when to give you the second shot, or verify that you had the first. I know for a fact that weird things are happening that aren't being reported. Last week my uncle in Goshen, NY state, told me he went to get vaccinated at a drug store. He waited in line for a while, until the phramacist told him the vaccines were all stolen the night before. I checked, nobody reported theft. If there was no theft, then the phramacist lying about theft would still make a juicy story for a local paper if they were doing their jobs, but it looks like nobody reported on it.

So a million things can go wrong. I don't mind giving them time to fail for a few months, to get things running smoothly before they jab me. I'm being patient with the vaccine distributors.

Politically, though? Fuck everything about this. Show me an incumbent, I'll vote against them, every single time! I don't care if it's Biden, or Bernie, or Trump, or representative Perry, or governor Wolf. I don't have time to parse 'oh this person tried this but this other person got in the way'... fuck that! Send them all back to the private sector! People are dying because these lazy, stupid, useless assholes are wasting our tax revenues, to give their buddies kickbacks. They refuse to set up a halfway sane system for vaccine distribution. People in power right now need to feel heat! I'll talk shit about them every chance I get, and you should, too. Every time you see these people you need to think "people are dying because this asshole won't move his ass and get to work!" because that's what's happening. Nobody in power right now is innocent. Every last one of them needs to be swept out like the garbage they are.

I think you need to look at the odds here.

As I understand it, from about a fortnight after even after only one shot of either the Pfizer or Astrazeneca vaccine, your chances of testing positive for the virus are something like 7% of what they would have been without the vaccine, and if you do test positive, your chances of developing symptoms at all, let alone requiring hospital treatment, are a fraction of what they otherwise would be.

Even if you say that the vaccine isn't as effective as it's said to be, because of poor storage and handling, and say that your chances are only 85% not 7%, that's still a huge swing of the odds in your favour -- if you assume that, for the sake of argument, there's 1% chance you'll become infected in a particular encounter, then by being vaccinated, you make that only 0.15% (so, perhaps not inappropriately, 1 in 666 rather than 1 in 100).

And those odd apply every encounter, every day, that you delay being vaccinated.

I had my first vaccination on Feb 13th, so today's the first time I've been able to do something as simple as go to the supermarket myself without feeling I'm taking my life in my hands.

I cannot imagine voluntarily delaying that moment when you realise you can start to get your life back after a year, especially not on the basis of rumours.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Spouse and I have our notes to get the vaccine - but the medical group we go through doesn't have any first doses - but its a step in the right direction.

 

[Stora]

Got my letter from the NHS today and booked an appointment for tomorrow evening. Also booked an appointment for my second jab in 11 weeks.

 

[bubblesort]

I think you need to look at the odds here.

As I understand it, from about a fortnight after even after only one shot of either the Pfizer or Astrazeneca vaccine, your chances of testing positive for the virus are something like 7% of what they would have been without the vaccine, and if you do test positive, your chances of developing symptoms at all, let alone requiring hospital treatment, are a fraction of what they otherwise would be.

Even if you say that the vaccine isn't as effective as it's said to be, because of poor storage and handling, and say that your chances are only 85% not 7%, that's still a huge swing of the odds in your favour -- if you assume that, for the sake of argument, there's 1% chance you'll become infected in a particular encounter, then by being vaccinated, you make that only 0.15% (so, perhaps not inappropriately, 1 in 666 rather than 1 in 100).

And those odd apply every encounter, every day, that you delay being vaccinated.

I had my first vaccination on Feb 13th, so today's the first time I've been able to do something as simple as go to the supermarket myself without feeling I'm taking my life in my hands.

I cannot imagine voluntarily delaying that moment when you realise you can start to get your life back after a year, especially not on the basis of rumours.

I'm not delaying it. I do have reservations about the rapid development process, but at this point, it's plain to see it's safer to be vaccinated than to not be.

I registered to get it, and when I did, they put me in category 1A, so I should be at the front of the line.

The people running this rollout are the ones delaying it. The politicians who refuse to make a sensible central place to get reliable vaccine information and register to get it in an effective way. I don't want to hear the technical hurdles are too high. Right now, I got google stalking me with ads for motorcycle helmets because I streamed The Wild Ones the other day, so they should have no problem making a central database of where the vaccine is, and how we can get it. I'm not going to spend days and weeks of my life trying to hunt down a shot like a Beatles groupie jonzing for concert tickets in the 1960s, and I should not be expected to. We already paid for this with our taxes. They need to give us what we paid for.

Every single last incumbent, regardless of party, is responsible for this delay. I will not let them off the hook for it, and neither should anybody reading this post. People are dying. Our representatives must have a deep, pervasive fear of facing their constituents at the polls next election cycle. The less they fear us, the more people will die.

 

[Isabeau]

“Don’t be such a chicken-squat!” ha ha

Also, not going to spoil it, but at one point the doctor drops something and what she said next made me laugh... what a Lady.

 

[Sid]

First vaccine dose for everyone by early July is realistic, says health minister - DutchNews.nl

Everyone in the Netherlands who wants to be vaccinated against coronavirus will have been able to have at least their first shot by early July, if deliveries hold up, health minister Hugo de Jonge told television show Op1 on Tuesday night. Ministers said earlier it would be the autumn before...

www.dutchnews.nl

Everyone in the Netherlands who wants to be vaccinated against Corona virus will have been able to have at least their first shot by early July, if deliveries hold up, health minister Hugo de Jonge told television show Op1 on Tuesday night. Ministers said earlier it would be the autumn before everyone had had their first dose. However, the speed at which vaccinations are proceeding and availability give rise to more optimism, De Jonge said.

The government estimates 85% of adults in the Netherlands are prepared to be vaccinated.

I keep reminding myself that there are general elections later this month.
But it would be great if that vaccination goal would be met.

 

[Erich Templar]

My wife and I are getting our jabs on Saturday.

 

[Sredni Eel]

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Every single last incumbent, regardless of party, is responsible for this delay.

Even if they've only been in office less than the vaccine production leadtime?

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Got our appointments for the 10th. Have to drive almost to the Alabama border, because the one Pensacola doesn't have anything for over a year right now... then again, that's only an hour away from here.