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This is quite mainstream politics outside the US:
It comes as measures to phase out the internal combustion engine gathering pace across Europe. Earlier this month, Denmark called for a plan to phase out diesel and petrol cars and allow a ban on their sale by 2030. It was backed by 10 other EU countries.
 

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and, as one US politician in particular should know, when the banks are no longer willing to lend you money because your business is a seen as a poor credit risk, you're in trouble and had better do something about it.
Trump chose to back the wrong horse, because of political contributions, but the reckoning is coming for coal barons.
 

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Trump chose to back the wrong horse, because of political contributions, but the reckoning is coming for coal barons.
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Coal just can't compete with cheap natural gas and the plunging cost of solar, wind and other forms of renewable energy.
As I've mentioned before my cousin, who makes a hell of a lot of money from advising clients, both investment funds and governments, on energy policy, has been saying this for years (certainly since the early 90s, if not before).
 

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It's more some cities banning such cars. So the claim that this is now mainstream politics is quite bold.

It is mainstream politics, if the big countries of Europe - France, Germany, Great Britain and Italy - have such things in action on national scale.
 

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It's more some cities banning such cars. So the claim that this is now mainstream politics is quite bold.

It is mainstream politics, if the big countries of Europe - France, Germany, Great Britain and Italy - have such things in action on national scale.
Plenty of countries, including the UK and France, as well as several other European countries, already "have such things in action on a national scale," as you put it.

Labour are talking simply about bringing these plans forward:



 

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What's been shocking to me in the last week, is the lack of mainstream media coverage of the Extinction Rebellion protests in London. I'm relying more and more on coverage on twitter, Facebook and other social media to show me what's happening, and losing interest in reading mainstream stuff. The BBC is worse than others in this respect. We don't have a free press, and the notion that we do is killing us.

The information and idea that most people need to hear is that climate change is going to threaten food production. In the USA that's already started, with failed or much lower crop yields due to flooding or burning or unseasonable weather. Here in rural Lincolnshire, September has been so wet that farmers can't put vehicles onto the land.

I don't think people are aware that the "just in time" system used by most retailers has led to a sharp decrease in stocks held and an attitude that if one source for some foodstuff (or anything) fails, another can be found. That only holds good if the crops don't fail everywhere. There may be an increase in the UK currently as businesses and Government are apparently constantly planning for no-deal Brexit and stockpiling.

We need to campaign to do whatever can be done to ameliorate the climate change which is already happening around the world, with greenhouse gases being released from melting permafrost across Alaska, and Russia, reducing our contribution to that from industry, cars, flying, meat production etc, but the other thing which is not happening fast enough is an understanding that we need to plan for the climate change we already have. Different ways of planning food production, different sources of food. Different designs for homes, for communities.

It seems to me that if the whole world worked together to put as much innovation and ingenuity into this as we do into designing methods for killing each other, we might have a chance. It would mean a change from profit-making enterprises to those which benefit humanity. If we do not do this, I think we really are doomed to live in a hell of our own construction.
 

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While the situation is dramatic, Extinction rebellion failed to deliver scientific proof that mankind is on the verge of or already doomed to become extinct. There is no such thing. Life on the planet might change drastically and become less comfortable, yes. But mankind is nowhere near extinction.

By the way the root cause for all of this is that mankind became too large for our lifestyle to be longer sustainable or at least bearable for the planet. So ironically killing each other on a global scale could be one solution, although definitely not a desirable one. We are going to have milions of climate refugees and wars due to that in the future I am sure about.
 
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While the situation is dramatic, Extinction rebellion failed to deliver scientific proof that mankind is on the verge of or already doomed to become extinct. There is no such thing. Life on the planet might change drastically and become less comfortable, yes. But mankind is nowhere near extinction.
You're not paying attention.
 

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I am paying attention, just my conclusion of the outcome is different: I don't believe that mankind is going to become extinct so easily. It is going to be different and probably smaller, but will still be here in 100 years.

What's more likely though is that the population is going to be radical smaller and our current state of civilisation might get lost, like when the empire of the Inkas or Romans vanished.
 
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I am paying attention, just my conclusion of the outcome is different: I don't believe that mankind is going to become extinct so easily. It is going to be different and probably smaller, but will still be here in 100 years.
IMHO We hold a damn lousy hand at the poker tournament of life.
The club of Rome pretty much predicted what is about to happen (exponential growth of global pollution) with their rapports in the 70ties.
I think there is a good chance that the kids of today will have a very though life once they grow up.

When I personally look in the glass sphere, I see that the chances to survive as humanity are small. The children of today could easily be the last generation.
We got the possibility to dominate the planet and we screwed up big time.
Time for the ants?
 

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energy experts are adjusting their forecasts as clean energy technologies, including wind and solar power, emerge faster than predicted and at costs that pose a direct threat to coal-fired electricity and combustion-engine vehicles.

In the UK, renewable energy projects generated more electricity over the last quarter than fossil fuels for the first time since the country’s first public power plant fired up in 1882. It is a marked change from only 10 years ago, when gas and coal generated more than 70% of the UK’s electricity.

The pace of progress has raised hope that the global groundswell of climate protest could spark fresh political will to accelerate the energy transition in time to keep global temperatures from rising to levels that could trigger a climate catastrophe.

Michael Liebreich, the founder of the research group Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF), says the substitution of old technology with new is always “like waiting for a sneeze”.

“The first 1% takes forever, 1% to 5% is like waiting for a sneeze – you know it’s inevitable but it takes longer than you think – then 5% to 50% happens incredibly fast,” he says.

The world is about to enter this period of rapid transformation, he says. This change promises to upend the fossil fuel producers that fail to adapt at pace, and bring the rise of carbon emissions to an end. A growing number of energy experts agree.

“Over the next decade we’ll see a far quicker than expected rollout of a number of clean energy technologies, which will almost certainly mean global emissions plateau,” Liebreich adds.

The rollout is expected whether politicians increase their ambition or not, because the economics of clean energy are now too strong to ignore.
 

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I am paying attention, just my conclusion of the outcome is different: I don't believe that mankind is going to become extinct so easily. It is going to be different and probably smaller, but will still be here in 100 years.
That's your measurement standard for climate apocalypse? That there will still be humans alive 100 years from now? Not even I claim that humans will be entirely gone in 100 years, and I'm about as pessimistic as one can get about our future chances.

Extinctions involving meteor strikes may only take days or even hours, but climate change extinctions can take thousands of years to unfold. That there may still be humans walking the Earth 100-200 years from now isn't any guarantee that we've somehow dodged a bullet. The full extent of the damage we're causing won't be fully felt for centuries, and remnants of many species may still be lingering in various corners of the world. The lights will go out one by one, not all at once, but chances are by 2100 we'll see at least the broad outlines of what's in store for the next century.
 

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As I've mentioned before my cousin, who makes a hell of a lot of money from advising clients, both investment funds and governments, on energy policy, has been saying this for years (certainly since the early 90s, if not before).
In a few years, natural gas won't be able to compete either. For example, Florida Power and Light is replacing a gas "peaker plant" with a solar farm and a 900 MWh battery pack, which would be the largest battery ever. Peaker plants are designed to start up quickly and handle peak power demands, such air conditioning on a hot and humid day when people get home from work and also start cooking dinner. The fast start-up makes them less efficient, but they are not used very many hours. Batteries have zero start-up time, and the solar farm serves to charge them up during the day, before the peak demand hits.

Most natural gas plants are the "combined cycle" type. This first burns the gas in a very hot combustion turbine. The residual heat is then used to boil water and drive a steam turbine. Using both is more efficient and gets more energy out of the gas, but heating up the boiler takes time (think heating a pot of water for spaghetti, but 10,000 times larger and three times hotter). So combined cycle plants are better suited to running much of the day, displacing coal plants that used to do that. But as the cost of renewables keeps dropping, those gas plants will also lose out.

To get an idea of how cheap solar already is in an ideal location, the oil-rich nation of Dubai is going solar at $0.0175/kWh.
 

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Family dinners man. Talking with my brother about the legislation in countries around the world have scheduled to ban the sale of new gasoline powered cars. Uncle bursts in all agitated "We're going to need oil for a long time to come you know!" And I'm all ah shit, he's been in that part of Facebook again. So anyway, on a dime I pivot, "Yeah, I know." I mean, it's the truth. Cargo rail won't be retooling from diesel to electric in North America anytime soon, fertilizer, lubricants, any number of applications. So, still agitated he repeats himself as though I hadn't just agreed with him, and I staree a deliberately uncomfortable length of time with a wtf expression and repeated, "Yeah. I know." Then while he was trying to remember his next canned talking point I showed ky brother Norway bringing their ban in in 2025. That really got the old man worked up. And he was about to say something and at this point I'm deliberately trolling him and add, "You'll be around to see that one." So he says again, "We're going to need oil for a long time to come!"

It's fucking brutal what propaganda has done to these old birds. He wasn't even able to grasp that all he was doing was try to change the subject.
 

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Family dinners man. Talking with my brother about the legislation in countries around the world have scheduled to ban the sale of new gasoline powered cars. Uncle bursts in all agitated "We're going to need oil for a long time to come you know!" And I'm all ah shit, he's been in that part of Facebook again. So anyway, on a dime I pivot, "Yeah, I know." I mean, it's the truth. Cargo rail won't be retooling from diesel to electric in North America anytime soon, fertilizer, lubricants, any number of applications. So, still agitated he repeats himself as though I hadn't just agreed with him, and I staree a deliberately uncomfortable length of time with a wtf expression and repeated, "Yeah. I know." Then while he was trying to remember his next canned talking point I showed ky brother Norway bringing their ban in in 2025. That really got the old man worked up. And he was about to say something and at this point I'm deliberately trolling him and add, "You'll be around to see that one." So he says again, "We're going to need oil for a long time to come!"

It's fucking brutal what propaganda has done to these old birds. He wasn't even able to grasp that all he was doing was try to change the subject.
The obvious comeback to that is, "Yes, so we need to conserve all we can by eliminating unnecessary use of it, so that it lasts as long as it needs to."

Of course, to people like that, continuing use of gas-powered engines is necessary. Dunno where to go from there. I've been in an argument with someone who firmly believes the production and use of electric vehicles (and the eventual disposal of their batteries) is far more harmful to the environment than gas-powered vehicles are. *sigh*
 

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He's 73 and already gone a round with cancer. I'm not terribly intent on changing his mind, my worries are as an uncle for the sake of my neice and nephew and little cousins. I'm just angry at the mass propaganda machine itself.

But if he wants to interrupt me with non sequitur, I'll troll the fuck out of that. 🤪