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Time to rename it to El Niño No Más.

El Niño is now stronger than at any point in the last 1,000 years, study finds
“We’ve been seeing some very strong El Niño events in the late 20th and early 21st century, and what we didn’t know was how unusual those are,” said Julie Cole, an environmental scientist at the University of Michigan. Because models disagree with one another and the instrumental data are too short to separate a trend, Cole’s team reconstructed a thousand-year-long ocean surface temperature record by analyzing fossilized Galápagos corals.
 

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Who would have guessed.
With sorting paper and plastic out of the garbage, one can't get anywhere close.
We still use lots of oil and gas, fly, ship goods all over the world, drive, throw stuff away before its lifespan is over. 🤷
We all want others to do things, but we ourselves... nah, not so much.
 

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Who would have guessed.
With sorting paper and plastic out of the garbage, one can't get anywhere close.
We still use lots of oil and gas, fly, ship goods all over the world, drive, throw stuff away before its lifespan is over. 🤷
We all want others to do things, but we ourselves... nah, not so much.
To be fair, in the industrialized Western world we've painted ourselves into a corner. Over the course of several centuries, we've systematically dismantled the infrastructure of the pre-industrial life we used to lead. Tech and modern medicine have ballooned our population to huge numbers of people packed in dense urban centers that are entirely dependent on the energy density and portability of petroleum products. In some ways, our rural areas are even more dependent on oil because public transport isn't feasible for low-density areas. Fewer and fewer people have the skills to live a sustainable, agrarian lifestyle, even assuming there was enough arable land for everyone to go back to farm life.

We could do a lot better with scaling back our modern standard of living, but that would require a concerted and united campaign with global scope. I don't see any signs that people are onboard with that effort, but even if we were, I suspect the escalating natural feedback loops are going to take this out of our hands.
 

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I've always found it a mission impossible to try to turn back the clock of the climate.
We really should concentrate on the changes that are inevitable. But we will not do that either, until forced by flooding catastrophes, bush fires with no end etc.
Humanity has the wrong priorities, like what are the gas prices and winning the next elections.
 
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Humanity has the wrong priorities, like what are the gas prices and winning the next elections.
For all that I'm an atheist, I do recognize the key role religion has played in focusing human attention spans on a longer timeline. The evocation of gods seems to provide the motivation to dedicate labor to causes that will outlast you. Temples, pyramids, cathedrals -- I can't think of many secular works that have inspired equal amounts of inspiration and perspiration.
 

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For all that I'm an atheist, I do recognize the key role religion has played in focusing human attention spans on a longer timeline. The evocation of gods seems to provide the motivation to dedicate labor to causes that will outlast you. Temples, pyramids, cathedrals -- I can't think of many secular works that have inspired equal amounts of inspiration and perspiration.
True. I'm agnostic but recognize religions have sometimes been leveraged to pull people to do the right things. I think the loss of communities has also been a big loss for many.

But I know I'm preaching to the choir here when I say modern American style Evangelical Christianity has very much had the opposite effect. They seem to flip between "God wouldn't let it happen!" to "The rapture is just around the corner anyway, so who cares?"
 

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Who would have guessed.
With sorting paper and plastic out of the garbage, one can't get anywhere close.
We still use lots of oil and gas, fly, ship goods all over the world, drive, throw stuff away before its lifespan is over. 🤷
We all want others to do things, but we ourselves... nah, not so much.
I'm rather more cynical, I fear. Recycling is needed because it reduces the amount of trash that ends up in landfill sites or exported to third-world countries where, in return for a modest payment, it becomes their problem, not ours. This is necessary because many countries have ceased to dispose of rubbish by burning it, which means they have to find means of disposal. At one point, too, it was a politically useful move because by providing funds for recycling, governments could create jobs (admittedly pretty horrible low-paid ones) for people to sort and process the recycled waste.

However, to my mind, it's mostly a displacement activity that allows us to feel as if we're doing something when, in reality, it's only governments who can much to affect CO2 emissions by introducing measures -- often unpopular -- to force businesses and individuals to reduce their carbon footprint.
 

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However, to my mind, it's mostly a displacement activity that allows us to feel as if we're doing something when, in reality, it's only governments who can much to affect CO2 emissions by introducing measures -- often unpopular -- to force businesses and individuals to reduce their carbon footprint.
Mentioning recycling when talking about climate mitigation always makes me sigh. Recycling is a Good Thing for many reasons, but its role in reducing emissions is miniscule compared to never producing those objects in the first place.

Entire countries have economies based on the creation of completely unnecessary goods that waste energy, waste natural resources, destroy natural habitat where the factory now stands, and create greenhouse gas emissions both directly and through the movement of labor and the distribution of goods.

I look around my house and cringe at the sheer quantity of worthless stuff that I have bought over the course of my life. Decorative, convenient, entertaining stuff that I. do. not. need. If I had to live my life over again, most of it wouldn't be there.

What happens, however, if the government swoops in and shuts down all the factories that produce plastic toys, cheap furniture, decorative figurines, bottled soda pop, plastic straws and forks and spoons, organizer trays, Halloween & Christmas decorations, and the thousands of other gee-gaws of the modern age that make our lives convenient and amusing? The economy collapses. Rampant unemployment and misery.

It's what SHOULD happen, but it won't.
 

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Yeahhhhhh, we talked before about how actually fixing this requires way too many people to give up too much they are used to. It's so much easier to just rationalize away the problem as something made up by nerd scientists.
 
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Yeahhhhhh, we talked before about how actually fixing this requires way too many people to give up too much they are used to. It's so much easier to just rationalize away the problem as something made up by nerd scientists.
I start every summer with the resolve to use fans and just deal with the heat. And then it gets hot, really hot, and I fold like a deck of cards so I can get some sleep and function during the day. I vow to group all my outside chores into a single trip in the car, then run to the pharmacy to pick up my prescription before they re-shelve it or buy a few items that I have a hankering for. My new dog groomer is literally 3 blocks away and the first time I walked that distance to drop off my dog, then had to walk back... it took me days to recover. I refuse to drive 3 blocks, that's insane, so I just gave up on grooming.

My wife loves to buy crafting items and decorative displays for Halloween and Christmas. I never voice my reservations about buying useless stuff and feeding the growth economy engine. I'm enough of a curmudgeon as it is and I can't bring myself to harsh her joy just because it would make me feel better, without materially improving the climate change outcome.

So yeah, I absolutely suck at this attempt to reduce my carbon footprint within even the parameters of modern living. Stepping outside of those parameters would probably kill me, so not an attractive prospect.
 

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I start every summer with the resolve to use fans and just deal with the heat. And then it gets hot, really hot, and I fold like a deck of cards so I can get some sleep and function during the day. I vow to group all my outside chores into a single trip in the car, then run to the pharmacy to pick up my prescription before they re-shelve it or buy a few items that I have a hankering for. My new dog groomer is literally 3 blocks away and the first time I walked that distance to drop off my dog, then had to walk back... it took me days to recover. I refuse to drive 3 blocks, that's insane, so I just gave up on grooming.

My wife loves to buy crafting items and decorative displays for Halloween and Christmas. I never voice my reservations about buying useless stuff and feeding the growth economy engine. I'm enough of a curmudgeon as it is and I can't bring myself to harsh her joy just because it would make me feel better, without materially improving the climate change outcome.

So yeah, I absolutely suck at this attempt to reduce my carbon footprint within even the parameters of modern living. Stepping outside of those parameters would probably kill me, so not an attractive prospect.
Oh, I get it! It never was feasible to make enough impact by telling individuals to go on an energy/consumption diet. We needed big, powerful, government policies that just never materialized. It's even a bit of an interesting game theory problem that we failed to solve.

I'm kind of wondering if climate policies will become way more popular in a few more decades after the disaster is more obvious to even the most stick headed people. At that point, it might be comparable to just performing a meaningless ritual! lol.
 

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I got rid of my cars. I live in a climate where the coastal breeze blows though my house most of the year. I use very little heat, from an HVAC heat pump, no furnace. And even less AC. I walk. I recycle. My biggest carbon footprint is my pc/tv, which I sleep when not in use.

I did acclimate to the great this year. Or tried. It's been 79-80 in my house for weeks. I normally don't even start to use the AC until later this month when San Diego's annual peak temps hit.

But enough is enough. I have it set to 77 degrees with a fan aimed at me and have for weeks now. In 2 decades I've never run the AC this much.

I moved here because I didn't want to live in recycled air. And yet... Bleah.
 

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I start every summer with the resolve to use fans and just deal with the heat. And then it gets hot, really hot, and I fold like a deck of cards so I can get some sleep and function during the day. I vow to group all my outside chores into a single trip in the car, then run to the pharmacy to pick up my prescription before they re-shelve it or buy a few items that I have a hankering for. My new dog groomer is literally 3 blocks away and the first time I walked that distance to drop off my dog, then had to walk back... it took me days to recover. I refuse to drive 3 blocks, that's insane, so I just gave up on grooming.

My wife loves to buy crafting items and decorative displays for Halloween and Christmas. I never voice my reservations about buying useless stuff and feeding the growth economy engine. I'm enough of a curmudgeon as it is and I can't bring myself to harsh her joy just because it would make me feel better, without materially improving the climate change outcome.

So yeah, I absolutely suck at this attempt to reduce my carbon footprint within even the parameters of modern living. Stepping outside of those parameters would probably kill me, so not an attractive prospect.
We dehumidify more than cool the bulk of the house in central Alabama even this time of year. It gets toasty but there is ample polar votex air conditioning in the bedroom. Yes ma'am we will sleep comfortably because that is everything.
 

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I start every summer with the resolve to use fans and just deal with the heat. And then it gets hot, really hot, and I fold like a deck of cards so I can get some sleep and function during the day. I vow to group all my outside chores into a single trip in the car, then run to the pharmacy to pick up my prescription before they re-shelve it or buy a few items that I have a hankering for. My new dog groomer is literally 3 blocks away and the first time I walked that distance to drop off my dog, then had to walk back... it took me days to recover. I refuse to drive 3 blocks, that's insane, so I just gave up on grooming.

My wife loves to buy crafting items and decorative displays for Halloween and Christmas. I never voice my reservations about buying useless stuff and feeding the growth economy engine. I'm enough of a curmudgeon as it is and I can't bring myself to harsh her joy just because it would make me feel better, without materially improving the climate change outcome.

So yeah, I absolutely suck at this attempt to reduce my carbon footprint within even the parameters of modern living. Stepping outside of those parameters would probably kill me, so not an attractive prospect.
What do you mean by "3 blocks"?

Are we talking about Barcelona (133,3m x 133,3m), New York (80m x 274m) or Chicago (100m x 200m)? East-West, North-South or diagonally?
 
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