Charlie Kirk Shot and Killed In Utah

[GoblinCampFollower]

Yeah I saw an amusing Reddit discussion where someone asked if Mormons were Christians and one snarky reply was all "Just Google" with a screenshot from Wikipedia saging yes, and other was actually answering that yes, technically but many Christians do not consider them to be Christian.

It's fun, since there are hundreds of Christian denominations and some of them say they are the only real one!

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Technically Satanists are Christians.

 

[Free]

Technically Satanists are Christians.

What about atheistic Satanists?

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

What about atheistic Satanists?

The Satanic Temple and Church of Satan are of course political activist and social clubs for atheists who are just having a bit of fun. Actual, theistic Satanists are rare to the point of basically not existing.

So no, I don't think Satanists are Christians, though I think Argent is right about theistic satanists from a technical perspective.

 

[Free]

Actual, theistic Satanists are rare to the point of basically not existing.

And yet...and yet...In a world filled with well over 8 billion of us, I believe you can find enough of any particular belief set to fill more than just a social club. And let's not forget there are those whose worldview restricts belief sets and ends up ballooning the ranks.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

And yet...and yet...In a world filled with well over 8 billion of us, I believe you can find enough of any particular belief set to fill more than just a social club. And let's not forget there are those whose worldview restricts belief sets and ends up ballooning the ranks.

Your links were atheistic satanists. I was saying that actual theistic ones (no "a") are the ones that are super rare. And that preacher is of course simply nuts.

 

[Free]

Your links were atheistic satanists.

Sorry. Seem to be missing my A's today. Too focused on my T's, maybe?

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

What about atheistic Satanists?

They're a slightly more serious version of the Church of the Subgenius (Praise Bob) and Discordianism (Hail Eris). But they're also technically as Christian as, say, Unitarian Universalists.

"Insofar as I may be heard by anything, which may or may not care what I say, I ask, if it matters, that you be forgiven for anything you may have done or failed to do which requires forgiveness. Conversely, if not forgiveness but something else may be required to insure any possible benefit for which you may be eligible after the destruction of your body, I ask that this, whatever it may be, be granted or withheld, as the case may be, in such a manner as to insure your receiving said benefit. I ask this in my capacity as your elected intermediary between yourself and that which may not be yourself, but which may have an interest in the matter of your receiving as much as it is possible for you to receive of this thing, and which may in some way be influenced by this ceremony. Amen."

 

[Rose Karuna]

They're a slightly more serious version of the Church of the Subgenius (Praise Bob) and Discordianism (Hail Eris). But they're also technically as Christian as, say, Unitarian Universalists.

"Insofar as I may be heard by anything, which may or may not care what I say, I ask, if it matters, that you be forgiven for anything you may have done or failed to do which requires forgiveness. Conversely, if not forgiveness but something else may be required to insure any possible benefit for which you may be eligible after the destruction of your body, I ask that this, whatever it may be, be granted or withheld, as the case may be, in such a manner as to insure your receiving said benefit. I ask this in my capacity as your elected intermediary between yourself and that which may not be yourself, but which may have an interest in the matter of your receiving as much as it is possible for you to receive of this thing, and which may in some way be influenced by this ceremony. Amen."

Unitarians sprang from the Quaker religion, however, many members of the Unitarian Church are indeed admitted atheists but attend the church because they are humanist and wish to serve their community (this was me). The church I went to in Fort Lauderdale had a very large group of Wiccans as well, a religion but not christian.

 

[Free]

Unitarians sprang from the Quaker religion, however, many members of the Unitarian Church are indeed admitted atheists but attend the church because they are humanist and wish to serve their community (this was me). The church I went to in Fort Lauderdale had a very large group of Wiccans as well, a religion but not christian.

Big Tent Religion indeed.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

They're a slightly more serious version of the Church of the Subgenius (Praise Bob) and Discordianism (Hail Eris).

You left out the Pastafarians, who are a direct link to using a "religion" to litigate establishment clause cases.

 

[Free]

You left out the Pastafarians

 

[Noodles]

Unitarians sprang from the Quaker religion, however, many members of the Unitarian Church are indeed admitted atheists but attend the church because they are humanist and wish to serve their community (this was me). The church I went to in Fort Lauderdale had a very large group of Wiccans as well, a religion but not christian.

I have not regularly attended Church in 30 years now but Unitarian was one I considered more recently if I did because they seem more like "Positive Vibes, good folks" than "Do this shit or burn in hell live in fear of everything."

 

[Noodles]

You left out the Pastafarians, who are a direct link to using a "religion" to litigate establishment clause cases.

R-amen...

 

[CronoCloud Creeggan]

You left out the Pastafarians, who are a direct link to using a "religion" to litigate establishment clause cases.

Bless the FSM's Noodly Appendages.

 

[Jopsy Pendragon]

Technically Satanists are Christians.

I presume jest, but have seen this come up on reddit enough times to feel compelled to expand on it a little:


Church of Satan(CoS), (unknown membership, presumed smallish) and similar independent hell/devil fixated groups: Not followers of christ but yes, "believers" of the christian/abrahamic origin story/framework/et al.

The Satanic Temple(TST) (700k members worldwide?), not so much. "Satan" is more of an convenient metaphor, an imaginary mascot, an literary symbol of rebellion against the dogmatic abrahamic faiths and others belief systems that impose their arbitrary sense of morality on others.

 

[Rose Karuna]

Let us not forget our great underwater overlord Cthulhu ... "That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons
even death may die."

 

[Beebo Brink]

Unitarians sprang from the Quaker religion, however, many members of the Unitarian Church are indeed admitted atheists but attend the church because they are humanist and wish to serve their community (this was me). The church I went to in Fort Lauderdale had a very large group of Wiccans as well, a religion but not christian.

Yup, Unitarians are all about "figure out what works for you". I was raised Unitarian, attending a Sunday school that discussed mythologies and religions from around the world. So from the earliest of days, I viewed the Christian religion as just one among many, to be treated respectfully, but not necessarily believed.

 

[detrius]

She'll either be replaced, become a mere figurehead, or her organization will lose its influence.

On one hand, she's part of a highly misogynistic movement where women are supposed to do as they're told. There's no way she'll be regarded as an equal. AFAIK, the attacks have already started.

On the other hand, members of demographic minorities such as women, gays, non-whites etc. who are also prominent Republicans are nowadays always crazy, corrupt, cognitively challenged or dead. Young Republican women in particular tend to compensate for their gender by subscribing to the most outlandish religious beliefs. Those aren't helpful character traits for someone in a leadership position. Republicans like to have one Michele Bachmann or Sarah Palin in their ranks as a female token who they can use to accuse the other side of being misogynistic, but all available slots are currently filled by people like MTG, Lauren Boebert and Nancy Mace.

She already has caused some raised eyebrows by boasting about the business opportunities presented to her by her husband's assassination. And the fact that she used his corpse for a staged photo op also did not go by unnoticed.

I suppose only a certain type of woman would be attracted to someone like Charlie Kirk.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

She'll either be replaced, become a mere figurehead, or her organization will lose its influence.

Agreed. They obviously got a HUGE SURGE of influence with the effort to make Kirk a martyr, but I doubt it will last. They lost their primary figure head and that usually results in organizations dying unless a lot of effort was put in to making the organization bigger than it's leader.

I suppose only a certain type of woman would be attracted to someone like Charlie Kirk.

I don't claim to understand right wing women but just know they exist in non trivial numbers. From what I've seen they have a very complex set of inconsistent world views where they have lesser status to men except it's OTHER women who need to be more quiet and submissive. I think many right wing women I've known even have very feminist views when it comes to their own rights but obviously don't accept the label as they believe "feminist" is a very dirty word!

Another interesting take was Dworkin's work. I mostly hate her work, but I think this one was interesting and inciteful.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/26/books/review/right-wing-women-andrea-dworkin.html