#BYEDON 2020 - The End Better Fucking Be Near

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Mine shows 4 addresses, 2 of which I've only ever used on an unrelated non-google email package. I'm familiar with the usual drop-down list of addresses when logging on to stuff, but this was a separate window containing nothing but those 4 addresses. I've never seen a list like that, in that format, on any browser or op-sys in the 25+ years I've been using them. Plus - I'm an adherent of the "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you..." school of life :eek:.
I think it's this. Could be wrong though.

 

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When you say logging on do you mean entering a user name and password or just landing on the page? I never got any kind of log in prompt with Chrome or Bing on Windows 10 just landing on the page and looking around, other than the Chrome prompt to use Google log in creds. I always just close that and mosey on.
Same thing for me with Chrome on Android.
 
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just landing on the page.
It used to freak me out, too, when Windows started saving my info when I didn't ask it to (I didn't know I could!) until I realized what it was and that it's nothing to worry about. There should be some settings somewhere that you can change so it doesn't save your emails anymore, if that is what you would prefer. You might need to change settings in both your OS and Chrome.
 

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Apparently white Evangelical churches are splitting because their congregations are driving out pastors whose ministry is, in their opinion, insufficiently MAGAish.
Sooner or later, these congregations are going to have to come to terms with the fact that its not Jesus Christ they're worshiping anymore (if they ever did).
 

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Sooner or later, these congregations are going to have to come to terms with the fact that its not Jesus Christ they're worshiping anymore (if they ever did).
From the article:

Scott Dudley, the senior pastor at Bellevue Presbyterian Church in Bellevue, Washington, refers to this as “our idolatry of politics.” He’s heard of many congregants leaving their church because it didn’t match their politics, he told me, but has never once heard of someone changing their politics because it didn’t match their church’s teaching. He often tells his congregation that if the Bible doesn’t challenge your politics at least occasionally, you’re not really paying attention to the Hebrew scriptures or the New Testament. The reality, however, is that a lot of people, especially in this era, will leave a church if their political views are ever challenged, even around the edges.
Too many Christians have “domesticated” Jesus by their resistance to his call to radically rethink our attitude toward power, ourselves, and others, Mark Labberton, the president of Fuller Theological Seminary, told me. We live in “an era of acute anxiety and great fear,” he said. As a result, too often Christians end up wrapping Jesus into our angry and fearful distortions. We want Jesus to validate everything we believe, often as if he never walked the face of this Earth. What we’re witnessing can be explained “more by sociology than Christology,” he said.
 
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Apparently white Evangelical churches are splitting because their congregations are driving out pastors whose ministry is, in their opinion, insufficiently MAGAish.
This is an interesting article, but I suspect it is taking a phenomena that is taking place in a few mega-churches and extrapolating further than is wise. A couple mega-churches dealing with splits does not imply a wide spread dissolution of the movement. From the view from here, there does not seem to be as much division as the author of the article claims. The church first mentioned in the article is composed of five separate palaces. While the pastor is bemoaning a loss of unity and a loss to greater cultural forces, the congregation clearly surrendered to simple comforts and power a long long time ago to be able to build such remarkable and beautiful infrastructure near the steps of shocking inequities and poverty on the other side of the Potomic River. Rev. Platt does everything but look inward at his own failings as a Christian leader when bemoaning his own loss of influence.

The rest of the article is more of the same. A long list of pastors who wish their congregations would fall in line and accept the uncertainty of rejecting outside influences, but at the same time the pastors mourn the loss of their own comfort in leading people who simply acquiesce to them rather than to other political forces. Best of all they simply make up history and context to justify their sense of loss. For example, the so-called Christian takeover of Rome came to a head on a bloody battlefield at the Milvian Bridge as the result of recruiting armies from far away places combined with political machinations by Constantine rather than through a simple transition led by some peace loving hippies influencing the Roman populace by sharing flowers and hugs. And just as today, that movement was co-opted and perverted by non-believers as a way for them to gain power and legitimacy.
 
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This is an interesting article, but I suspect it is taking a phenomena that is taking place in a few mega-churches and extrapolating further than is wise. A couple mega-churches dealing with splits does not imply a wide spread dissolution of the movement. From the view from here, there does not seem to be as much division as the author of the article claims. The church first mentioned in the article is composed of five separate palaces. While the pastor is bemoaning a loss of unity and a loss to greater cultural forces, the congregation clearly surrendered to simple comforts and power a long long time ago to be able to build such remarkable and beautiful infrastructure near the steps of shocking inequities and poverty on the other side of the Potomic River. Rev. Platt does everything but look inward at his own failings as a Christian leader when bemoaning his own loss of influence.

The rest of the article is more of the same. A long list of pastors who wish their congregations would fall in line and accept the uncertainty of rejecting outside influences, but at the same time the pastors mourn the loss of their own comfort in leading people who simply acquiesce to them rather than to other political forces. Best of all they simply make up history and context to justify their sense of loss. For example, the so-called Christian takeover of Rome came to a head on a bloody battlefield at the Milvian Bridge as the result of recruiting armies from far away places combined with political machinations by Constantine rather than through a simple transition led by some peace loving hippies influencing the Roman populace by sharing flowers and hugs. And just as today, that movement was co-opted and perverted by non-believers as a way for them to gain power and legitimacy.
I agree, it's a great article, but the relevance of these divisions are a little overblown. Church divisions and splits are the most American thing in the world. After a church splits, they don't usually have vendettas against each other, like us liberals tend to do. One church may split over Trump. They might even have deep theological divisions regarding Trump. One side of the split may vote against Trump. In the end, though, both divisions are probably going to vote for the same senators, state and local officials, which means, to the outside world, they might as well have never split. They're still part of the 'moral majority' voting block.
 

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This is an interesting article, but I suspect it is taking a phenomena that is taking place in a few mega-churches and extrapolating further than is wise. A couple mega-churches dealing with splits does not imply a wide spread dissolution of the movement. From the view from here, there does not seem to be as much division as the author of the article claims. The church first mentioned in the article is composed of five separate palaces. While the pastor is bemoaning a loss of unity and a loss to greater cultural forces, the congregation clearly surrendered to simple comforts and power a long long time ago to be able to build such remarkable and beautiful infrastructure near the steps of shocking inequities and poverty on the other side of the Potomic River. Rev. Platt does everything but look inward at his own failings as a Christian leader when bemoaning his own loss of influence.

The rest of the article is more of the same. A long list of pastors who wish their congregations would fall in line and accept the uncertainty of rejecting outside influences, but at the same time the pastors mourn the loss of their own comfort in leading people who simply acquiesce to them rather than to other political forces. Best of all they simply make up history and context to justify their sense of loss. For example, the so-called Christian takeover of Rome came to a head on a bloody battlefield at the Milvian Bridge as the result of recruiting armies from far away places combined with political machinations by Constantine rather than through a simple transition led by some peace loving hippies influencing the Roman populace by sharing flowers and hugs. And just as today, that movement was co-opted and perverted by non-believers as a way for them to gain power and legitimacy.
This is an interesting article, but I suspect it is taking a phenomena that is taking place in a few mega-churches and extrapolating further than is wise. A couple mega-churches dealing with splits does not imply a wide spread dissolution of the movement. From the view from here, there does not seem to be as much division as the author of the article claims. The church first mentioned in the article is composed of five separate palaces. While the pastor is bemoaning a loss of unity and a loss to greater cultural forces, the congregation clearly surrendered to simple comforts and power a long long time ago to be able to build such remarkable and beautiful infrastructure near the steps of shocking inequities and poverty on the other side of the Potomic River. Rev. Platt does everything but look inward at his own failings as a Christian leader when bemoaning his own loss of influence.

The rest of the article is more of the same. A long list of pastors who wish their congregations would fall in line and accept the uncertainty of rejecting outside influences, but at the same time the pastors mourn the loss of their own comfort in leading people who simply acquiesce to them rather than to other political forces. Best of all they simply make up history and context to justify their sense of loss. For example, the so-called Christian takeover of Rome came to a head on a bloody battlefield at the Milvian Bridge as the result of recruiting armies from far away places combined with political machinations by Constantine rather than through a simple transition led by some peace loving hippies influencing the Roman populace by sharing flowers and hugs. And just as today, that movement was co-opted and perverted by non-believers as a way for them to gain power and legitimacy.
Yes, they lost me when they started complaining about Christianity being corrupted when Constantine converted, too, since I know a bit of history (recently I read Tom Holland's Dominion, which has a lot of very interesting material on the first three or four hundred years of the religion).

What astonishes me is how wildly heterodox US evangelical Christianity is in many ways. I was fascinated, and rather worried, to learn from the article how this major force in US society operates. (Mutters darkly about John of Leiden and the Anabaptists of Münster).
 
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A couple mega-churches dealing with splits does not imply a wide spread dissolution of the movement.
Perhaps not, but surveys of religious affiliation show Evangelicals dropping from 27% of the oldest US adults to 9% of the youngest. Conversely the "none or nothing in particular" group increased by about the same percentage. So Evangelicals will not dissolve as a movement, but will become a smaller segment of the population as the oldest generations die off.
 

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