Brexit.

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

Tory leadership debates can be literally nerve-wracking.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

"Leaving the EU has had consequences, Brexit is pure!"

The sad thing is this kind of nonsensical distinction seems to matter a lot in human psychology... propaganda can admit to problems but only in certain ways. It's like someone saying they aren't anti-gay, but just oppose gay marriage and think gays need to be kept away from children and blah blah....

Also, HOLY CRAP, at the start of this thread, I had no idea it would approach 400 pages!

 

[Veritable Quandry]

This is like the broad support in America for the Affordable Care Act and the wide disapproval for Obamacare.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

If Spain requires this for all countries they have no special treaties negotiated with, than so be it for the UK too I guess.
I can't imagine that Spain makes up these rules for the UK only.

It seems an awful lot of money, though. I mean, most holidaymakers who have bought a package including their flights and hotel, and if you're paying for your hotel separately, you'd normally use a credit card, or at least I would. Even if they're not using a credit card for meals, drinks and other expenditure, most people would find it difficult to spend €100 a day on top of that while on holiday in Spain, I'd have thought, unless they've got a drugs habit or are visiting a lot of brothels.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

This article is four months old and talks about all non-EU passports:

Travelers May Need Proof of €100 Spending Money Per Day In Spain And France

Spain and France continue to ask travelers with non-EU passports to show proof they have 100 Euros spending money daily.

www.traveloffpath.com

LBC looks like a middle child of journalism selling clicks.

 

[Sid]

It seems an awful lot of money, though. I mean, most holidaymakers who have bought a package including their flights and hotel, and if you're paying for your hotel separately, you'd normally use a credit card, or at least I would. Even if they're not using a credit card for meals, drinks and other expenditure, most people would find it difficult to spend €100 a day on top of that while on holiday in Spain, I'd have thought, unless they've got a drugs habit or are visiting a lot of brothels.

Yes, some countries have 'interesting' rules and laws. EU countries not excluded.
But on the other hand, Spain has to handle millions and millions of tourists from all over the world every year at their Costa's. And it is a good thing for governments IMHO, if they know that most tourists can financially handle some unexpected setbacks during their visit themselves.

I think, that having a credit card or bank debit card on you will do.
Don't expect it to be a new law. It is most likely already in place for decades, written in a time when plastic money was not that widely spread as nowadays.
It is only new to the UK visitors.

I have no clue on how strict this is checked at the borders.

 

[Erich Templar]

It seems an awful lot of money, though. I mean, most holidaymakers who have bought a package including their flights and hotel, and if you're paying for your hotel separately, you'd normally use a credit card, or at least I would. Even if they're not using a credit card for meals, drinks and other expenditure, most people would find it difficult to spend €100 a day on top of that while on holiday in Spain, I'd have thought, unless they've got a drugs habit or are visiting a lot of brothels.

Does the per day amount include the cost of the package? Because that would make it more reasonable.

Also ... how on earth is anybody going to check this? Require you to produce receipts at the border when you leave?! As if the queues weren't bad enough already!

 

[Sid]

Hey, look what is needed to get a UK visa:

Bank Statement for UK Visit Visa: A Complete Guide

Everything you need to know about bank statement for UK visit visa, including income requirements, cash balance, allowed transactions, etc.

www.visatraveler.com

"Must be able to spend 100-150 pounds a day".


pot-kettle-black?

Added: Once again: The British are no special corn snowflakes. They get what they voted for.
We from the EU even got what we didn't vote for.

 

[Grandma Bates]

It seems an awful lot of money, though. I mean, most holidaymakers who have bought a package including their flights and hotel, and if you're paying for your hotel separately, you'd normally use a credit card, or at least I would. Even if they're not using a credit card for meals, drinks and other expenditure, most people would find it difficult to spend €100 a day on top of that while on holiday in Spain, I'd have thought, unless they've got a drugs habit or are visiting a lot of brothels.

Anybody who travels to the United Kingdom who is not a citizen of Australia, Canada, The United States, or the EU must apply for a visa and provide personal financial details as part of the process. The Spanish and French requirements do seem excessive, but are likely the result of local efforts to "take back control" and reduce the number of undesirable people from entering the country from outside the EU which was seemingly not possible in the UK. It does sound like an undue burden, but it requires diplomatic agreements between governments to fix. Something the current UK government seems to find challenging at the moment for some reason. Governments do not tend to just casually open themselves up to the entry of foreign citizens without formal diplomatic negotiations. Surprisingly, this is true even for subjects of Her Majesty the Queen.

If only someone had provided a warning that leaving the EU would require many new diplomatic agreements with a surprisingly large number of other countries.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

For the first time in 14 years McDonald's raised the price for the cheeseburger in the UK by 20 pence!

McDonald’s UK raises price of cheeseburger for first time in 14 years

Price jumps by fifth to £1.19 with immediate effect and other increases will follow as costs soar

www.theguardian.com

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Hey, look what is needed to get a UK visa:

Bank Statement for UK Visit Visa: A Complete Guide

Everything you need to know about bank statement for UK visit visa, including income requirements, cash balance, allowed transactions, etc.

www.visatraveler.com

"Must be able to spend 100-150 pounds a day".


pot-kettle-black?

Added: Once again: The British are no special corn snowflakes. They get what they voted for.
We from the EU even got what we didn't vote for.

That says £100 -- £150 a day for "trip expenses," which is reasonable if those expenses include the cost of hotels. Maybe the Spanish visa requirements are similar, in which case they're a lot more reasonable.

I'm hoping to revisit Amsterdam, probably next year now, and will be buying, not a package holiday, but an inclusive flights and hotel package, so all I'm going to need to spend on top of that is local transport, admission to museums and other attractions, meals, coffees, and so on, and I'll be using my credit card where I can, as I do everywhere.

Since I'll already have paid for the hotel and transfers from and to Schiphol, there's no way I'm going to spend anything like €100 a day on out-of-pocket expenses, or at least I certainly hope I'm not.

As a budget for the whole trip, not including flights but including the hotel, it's a reasonable estimate (and I'll probably spend more because I like good hotels) but it seems excessive simply for out-of-pocket expenses.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

It almost feels like it might be 'that you -have- it, not that you spend it? I mean when we went to Chicago, we were told you had to have a dollar on you as evidence you aren't a vagrant.... just seems like, from the wording.

 

[Sid]

Since I'll already have paid for the hotel and transfers from and to Schiphol, there's no way I'm going to spend anything like €100 a day on out-of-pocket expenses, or at least I certainly hope I'm not.

You are not expected to spend it, you are expected to be able to spend it when there are unexpected events like extra traveling, theft of luggage, breakdown of your car or extra nights in the country for whatever reason.
Owning a credit or debit card will perfectly do the trick. No need to walk around with € 700 cash if you stay a week.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

You are not expected to spend it, you are expected to be able to spend it when there are unexpected events like extra traveling, theft of luggage, breakdown of your car or extra nights in the country for whatever reason.
Owning a credit or debit card will perfectly do the trick. No need to walk around with € 700 cash if you stay a week.

That's perfectly reasonable, and I hope the Spanish authorities take a similar view. It was the idea that people would need to buy several hundred Euros' worth currency or travellers checks there was little chance they'd actually need that worried me, but so long as credit/debit cards are acceptable, that's a different matter.

 

[Grandma Bates]

That's perfectly reasonable, and I hope the Spanish authorities take a similar view. It was the idea that people would need to buy several hundred Euros' worth currency or travellers checks there was little chance they'd actually need that worried me, but so long as credit/debit cards are acceptable, that's a different matter.

According to Spain's Ministerio de Asuntos Exteriores you can use a credit card combined with appropriate financial statements to indicate you have the necessary financial resources and will not be a burden on society:

Conditions for entry into Spain

www.exteriores.gob.es

Accreditation of financial means
At the request of the competent authorities, the traveller must present proof of having sufficient financial means for the proposed stay or of the ability to legally obtain such means.

In 2020, the minimum amount required is 90 euros per person per day. In any case, and regardless of the length of stay, the traveller must have at least 810 euros or its equivalent in foreign currency.

Economic means may be accredited by presenting cash, traveller's cheques, a credit card accompanied by a bank account statement, an up-to-date bank book, or any other resource that accredits the amount available, such as a credit statement regarding the card or bank account. Bank letters or online bank statements will not be accepted.

 

[Sid]

Rule of thumb:
If you don't look and act as if you have spend your last pounds on booking the trip and arrive with luggage in line with the length of your trip, no customs officer will ask in the first place.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Essence Lumin]

What a guy. That's from 2020. He deleted his account since then.

 

[Free]

 

[Innula Zenovka]

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