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Posted here because Keir Starmer's views on Brexit are part of the story, but primarily because probably only people who're still following this thread may find this of any interest

 

[Arkady Arkright]

Posted here because Keir Starmer's views on Brexit are part of the story, but primarily because probably only people who're still following this thread may find this of any interest

..and McCluskey is now claiming that he didn't know that 'go and count your gold' is an old anti-semitic insult...

 

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This leaves me wondering whether there's a Polish branch of the Trump family

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

It's a thinly disguised tax increase, and a regressive one. From the Tory viewpoint what's not to like?

 

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[Sid]

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I don't know, there is more than one Tory joker in the deck I'm afraid, so chances would be that Bozo would be exchanged for another clownish figure.
And I don't see the UK fit at the moment for yet another general election.

 

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I don't know, there is more than one Tory joker in the deck I'm afraid, so chances would be that Bozo would be exchanged for another clownish figure.
And I don't see the UK fit at the moment for yet another general election.

It depends how things go with Brexit and Covid, of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if we have a new PM by this time next year, and I certainly will be surprised if Johnson is PM much later than early 2022 (mind you, I was wrong about the US elections, and about Brexit, too).

Of the current cabinet, Rishi Sunak looks like a very strong contender as the next leader, simply because, whatever his failings, which are many, he's an intelligent and serious politician.

His latest package of support measures for businesses and workers during lockdowns and restrictions is being criticised as insufficiently generous, certainly, but to my mind, he comes over as someone who would be able get some sort of grip on the situation rather than lurch from crisis to crisis, as Johnson is doing.

ETA: I hadn't read this before posting -- says it all, really

Rishi Sunak is making it up as he goes along – he must be the next PM | John Rentoul

The conventional wisdom is that Sunak’s armour of invincibility will start to disintegrate. After watching him command the House of Commons this week, I think this assertion may be overdone

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Sid]

But what if mr Rees-Mogg or mr Raab play out their popularity among the Tories and run for the PM position when the vacancy occurs?
Than there would be very little gained, if one of them takes over the position of PM. And Theresa May hasn't been promoted away either yet.

I don't know enough about mr Sunak to have an opinion about him. After the Brexit debates I have British politics a bit on the back burner, mainly due to Corona and the elections in the USA.

 

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But what if mr Rees-Mogg or mr Raab play out their popularity among the Tories and run for the PM position when the vacancy occurs?
Than there would be very little gained, if one of them takes over the position of PM. And Theresa May hasn't been promoted away either yet.

I don't know enough about mr Sunak to have an opinion about him. After the Brexit debates I have British politics a bit on the back burner, mainly due to Corona and the elections in the USA.

The membership wouldn't get a say this time round, I'm sure.

If Johnson leaves office, voluntarily or not, over the next couple of years, I'm certain that the Conservative MPs will settle the election amongst themselves, and the issue will be settled by default.

Rees-Mogg and Raab aren't in the running as far as I can see. Sunak and Gove are the only serious contenders, unless maybe Jeremy Hunt wants to give it another try.

 

[Arkady Arkright]

The membership wouldn't get a say this time round, I'm sure.

If Johnson leaves office, voluntarily or not, over the next couple of years, I'm certain that the Conservative MPs will settle the election amongst themselves, and the issue will be settled by default.

Rees-Mogg and Raab aren't in the running as far as I can see. Sunak and Gove are the only serious contenders, unless maybe Jeremy Hunt wants to give it another try.

Even Grayling couldn't be any worse than the present incumbent...

I have the first line of a poem in mind, anyone care to extend it ? "T'was Brexit, and the slimy Gove..."

 

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It depends how things go with Brexit and Covid, of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if we have a new PM by this time next year, and I certainly will be surprised if Johnson is PM much later than early 2022 (mind you, I was wrong about the US elections, and about Brexit, too).

Of the current cabinet, Rishi Sunak looks like a very strong contender as the next leader, simply because, whatever his failings, which are many, he's an intelligent and serious politician.

His latest package of support measures for businesses and workers during lockdowns and restrictions is being criticised as insufficiently generous, certainly, but to my mind, he comes over as someone who would be able get some sort of grip on the situation rather than lurch from crisis to crisis, as Johnson is doing.

ETA: I hadn't read this before posting -- says it all, really

Rishi Sunak is making it up as he goes along – he must be the next PM | John Rentoul

The conventional wisdom is that Sunak’s armour of invincibility will start to disintegrate. After watching him command the House of Commons this week, I think this assertion may be overdone

www.independent.co.uk

I have to say that with Sunak as Conservative leader and Starmer leading Labour, British politics would look far more encouraging than they have for years.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

Well even if BoJo is not any longer, the Tories still have two major problems:

a) the ERG with its heavy influence
b) the new wave of nationalism in the UK right now.

I don't doubt that Mr. Sunak is a serious, intelligent man. What I do doubt it the UK's readyness for a prime minister with Indian heritage though, and especially the Tories, so Gove is for me the more likely Tory outcome right now.