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I love this:
“There is no need for a free trade agreement to involve accepting EU rules on competition policy, subsidies, social protection, the environment, or anything similar any more than the EU should be obliged to accept UK rules,”

Are there really people stupid enough to belive that BS?
 
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I love this:
“There is no need for a free trade agreement to involve accepting EU rules on competition policy, subsidies, social protection, the environment, or anything similar any more than the EU should be obliged to accept UK rules,”

Are there really people stupid enough to belive that BS?
The UK is going through a particularly stupid period, so the answer is absolutely yes. Just as there are still idiots dumb enough to think we can still cherry pick deals and dictate terms. Common sense isn't nearly common enough when you need it most :D
 
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Brexit is good for taking back control, they said. Brexit will make happen that our fishing grounds really will be our own, they said.

"Hold my Grimbergen!" said the Belgiums and found an official document from 1666, where King Charles II. awarded Belgian fishermen "eternal rights" to English waters. Oh snap!

 

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Brexit is good for taking back control, they said. Brexit will make happen that our fishing grounds really will be our own, they said.

"Hold my Grimbergen!" said the Belgiums and found an official document from 1666, where King Charles II. awarded Belgian fishermen "eternal rights" to English waters. Oh snap!

 

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Swiss online publication „Die Republik“, so just „the republic“ is having a lengthy piece about Brexit and its implications.

The short version of it is the Brits are crazy, don’t know what they’re doing, will get ripped to shreds and are doomed.

The somewhat longer version:

Brexit was supposed to be about freedom. Brexit now has arrived. It seems that Downing Street’s plan is to become a pirate island, a Singapore at the Thamse. The tool for it are free trade agreements; end of 2020 alone 40 such treaties being signed by the EU will fade out.

So, the UK needs trade deals, and a lot of it quickly. The UK became supectible to blackmail as well due to their really weak position right now.

The problem though is that to get such a deal you do need three things: experienced negotiators, time and patience. The UK fired most negotiators a decade ago, and just let the EU handle that stuff; time and patience simply is no option due to rushing the things like crazy.

In the world of trade deals there are also two common rules: either you are strangling somebody, or you do get strangled. And the bigger fish always eats the smaller one, simple as that.

As part of the EU the UK was member of a big block and fish monster. Being on their own though the UK is just a much smaller fish, a regional power which is going to get shred into pieces by the bigger fish and will need to make some hefty concessions to get trade deals at all.

The next problem are the blocks the UK wants to have trade deals with the USA, EU and China.

The USA are skilled negotiators, and a trade deal which is unbenefactory for the USA has been long unheared of. So this means the UK would most likely have to make concessions on farming/food and medicine at least. And even if Trump would stick to his word give the UK a real fantastic trade deal, congress still must approve it.

Then there’s China: China was really pissed about Brexit. They don’t like such nasty surprises. So if they are going to support the UK, they would require support of the UK in the trade war against the USA and the suspicious EU. China also would want to buy many British companies, which also might stir up bad feelings.

Both things would come with a hefty price tag; and since the USA are weaving in an anti China paragraph in all of their newer deals it is quite much unlikely the UK will be able to cuddle with both: either they have to side with the USA, or China – and that’s it.

Then there’s the EU: the EU has after the USA the toughest, experienced and skilled negotiators. One diplomat put it like this: they do come friendly and civilized but are skinning you alive.

And given the nature how the EU works, the deels needs to be finished in October so that all governments can agree to it, which is unlikely to happen at all.

Aside that there are some red lines the EU will not cross, like access to fishing grounds. And even if there would be no treaty Frensh and British fisherman might get angry.

At last there is India: the UK has quite much high hopes in the former colony. While true that India does remember the Brits quite well, they do remember them too well. One basic rule for every Indian prime minster is that he has to humiliate the UK as much as possible.

So India would demand basically two things: access to the British job market and universities, so making it easy for Indians to move to the UK. One of the slogans for Brexit was to stop immigration; if a trade deal with India comes into place it would mean in the end just replacing the EU’s migration with even more Indians, which is something most Brits quite likely would disapprove with.

The EU has been negotiating by the way a trade deal with India for over 10 years without making much progress; then again the biggest slowing factor was the UK, so now with the UK gone it might accelerate very soon. Either way India is in no rush to make a deal with the UK at all.

The biggest irony of all is though that free trade deals are in reality today not about free trade, but mostly about rules for work safety, keeping the environment clean and such stuff. Most deals also contain an independent court somewhere as final judging instance if problems might arise. So ironically every deal would mean giving up the so called freedom again bit by bit.

In terms of negotiators the UK has not much, and they are like playing in an amateur soccer league, but now have to battle against world class teams. Soo too less and too soft.

Also suddenly having to do customs stuff would mean much additional work; until 2018 the UK officially didn’t even knew how many people were working in customs.

Another big problem is that the British government simply has not enough people to keep in touch with business, so to fine tune any trade deal. Which would be crucial though in order to avoid unnecessary problems.

So overall the UK is pretty much fucked up right now.

 

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Those arguments have been a part of the remain Campaign since the start. Unfortunately empty promises of Sovereignty and we've done it before we can do it again have been shouted louder and been accepted more widely.
 

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Great piece.
Not much really new information in it, but it gives an excellent summary on how the situation for mainly the UK is at the moment and in the foreseeable future.
 
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At 27th of January Ireland's PM Leo Varadkar had a remarkable interview with the BBC.

And he told the Brits some bitter pills to swallow, for instance that access to fishing grounds is going to be a talking point where the Brits most likely are going to have to make compromises:

"I think we’ll have to be comprehensive. You could have a bare bones interim agreement, but whatever final future economic partnership we come up with, I think it will have to be quite detailed.
Because what happens in these things is trade-offs. For example, the United Kingdom has a very strong position on fisheries. The UK has a lot of waters, and a lot of fish is taken out of your waters by boats from other countries, but bear in mind 70% of the fish you sell, you sell into Europe. So unless British people are going to start eating an awful lot more fish, you have a problem there.
But that’s an area where you’re in a strong position. An area where you’re in a very weak position is one of the most valuable parts of the British economy which is financial services. It’s such a crucial part of the of the British economy. And areas like the entertainment industry. And if financial services and entertainment, audio visual, are cut off from the single market, the European market, that will be a very severe blow to the British economy and the south-east, in particular in London.
So, you know, you may have to make concessions in areas like fishing in order to get concessions from us in areas like financial services, and that’s why things tend to be all in the one package."


And indeed access to fishing grounds is according to Michael Barnier one of the red lines the EU made it very clear they will not step back from.

Also stating the quite obvious as well: The reality of situation is that the European Union is a union of 27 member states. The UK is only one country. And we have a population and a market of 450 million people. The UK, it’s about 60. So if these were two teams up against each other playing football, who do you think has the stronger team? So long as we’re united.

British diplomats are nothing but an arrogant failure: In Britain’s negotiations with Ireland over Brexit, some senior politicians in London were dismissive of the effectiveness of Irish diplomacy. One cabinet minister, who asked for anonymity because of the sensitivity of the negotiations, told me that Ireland was a small country, which meant that the quality of its ministers could not match that of those in the UK. And yet this attitude proved part of London’s undoing in the negotiations, which saw Ireland win more of its objectives than Britain did.

The Brits don't understand Ireland and are mentally still living in pre-WWII Europe:
A lot of people, unfortunately, in Westminster, and in Britain, don’t understand Ireland, or know much about Ireland. And that’s one thing that we actually find hard to understand because if you grow up in Ireland, you know, we speak English as our first language, most of us do anyway. We watch the BBC, we watch Graham Norton, we watch your television, your news. We really understand a lot about Britain.
But I think a lot of British people don’t understand a lot about Ireland, including your politicians. And that’s what was very badly exposed I think during the whole Brexit process …
I think that a lot of people in Britain underestimated the fact that European partners will stay by us. You know, Britain has a very powerful history, a very colonial history. And I think there were people in Britain who thought that France, Germany and Britain would get together at a big summit and tell the small countries what’s what. That’s not the way the 21st century works. That’s certainly not the way the European Union works.


On the possibility of the UK undercutting EU's standards: I think the area where it’s going to become tricky is this whole idea of a level playing field. Because there’s a genuine concern across the European Union that part of the motivation behind Brexit was for the UK to undercut us in terms of environmental standards, labour standards, product standards, food standards, all of those things. Now when I meet Prime Minister Johnson he says: ‘No, absolutely not. That’s not the kind of United Kingdom that I want or need as prime minister.’ But we want that written down in law. We want that in a treaty so that we know that the UK will not be undercutting the EU with lower standards.
 
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