Brexit.

[Ashiri]

That simply will not happen.

So no deal. A crash and burn Brexit.

 

[Sid]

Or..... no Brexit at all.

It is all so nerve wrecking at the moment.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

 

[Innula Zenovka]

As I understand it, the Spanish government object to Gibraltar's automatic inclusion in any future trade agreement between the UK and EU. It doesn't seem the kind of thing that should be able to scupper the deal -- Theresa May is in no position to rock the boat, and I can't imagine the EU 27 will want to let the whole thing come to bits over something that's pretty peripheral to everyone but Spain and the Gibraltarians. It's not as if the Gibraltarians can cause the British government any big problems, as can the DUP over Northern Ireland.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

Both sides are making progress:


The thing is though that paying over two years into the EU, without getting a commissioner/mandates in the parliament is something the hard core Brexiteers really do hate.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

The Labour MP Chi Onwurah on the conflicts she faces as a pro-EU Member of Parliament in an area that voted (narrowly) for Leave in the referendum: What a conversation I had on the Newcastle Metro means for my vote on the Brexit deal.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Spoiler: Twitter link (gif because David Allen Green locks his account when he's offline)

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Thread:

 

[Govi]

Spoiler: Twitter link (gif because David Allen Green locks his account when he's offline)

OY!

So instead of one large book of import/export regulations applying to non-EU trade goods, the poor importer/exporter will have to check a different large book for each nation that trades with the UK. What a world of hurt those frauds like Farage and Boris Johnson have unleashed upon Britons.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

OY!

So instead of one large book of import/export regulations applying to non-EU trade goods, the poor importer/exporter will have to check a different large book for each nation that trades with the UK. What a world of hurt those frauds like Farage and Boris Johnson have unleashed upon Britons.

In the name, of course, of doing away with all that burdensome red tape and form filling imposed by Brussels bureaucrats.

 

[Chin Rey]

I'd been wondering where that demand had got to. I wonder what would happen if the Tories did let Gibraltar go.

That simply will not happen.

Not with all the monkeys there.

 

[Kara Spengler]

In the name, of course, of doing away with all that burdensome red tape and form filling imposed by Brussels bureaucrats.

Well, we could always suggest donnie try to fix it for you .....

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

Well, we could always suggest donnie try to fix it for you .....

 

[Sid]

On the other hand, we could try and fix the donnie.
Where is the chainsaw?

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Thread:

 

[Kara Spengler]

On the other hand, we could try and fix the donnie.
Where is the chainsaw?

As long as you keep him afterwards.

 

[Kara Spengler]

Thread:

The somewhat incoherent argument aside .... she is actually trying to tie brexit, already a major change, to a second major change but this time internal? Not sure how the EU would oppose a socialist setup anyway given there are socialist member states just to the north of her.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

The somewhat incoherent argument aside .... she is actually trying to tie brexit, already a major change, to a second major change but this time internal? Not sure how the EU would oppose a socialist setup anyway given there are socialist member states just to the north of her.

"Socialist" means something different in the USA, I think, from what it means in the rest of the world (certainly from what it means in Europe, anyway). Most of us on this side of the Atlantic would regard the Scandinavian countries as models of social democratic mixed economies rather than socialist.

EU rules on competition and non-tariff trade barriers prevent, or at least constrain, certain types of state aid and subsidies to businesses. So national governments can't give preference to domestic suppliers and contractors in procurement and neither can they readily (if at all -- I just don't know) give state aid to failing industries to prevent unemployment, and neither can they readily nationalise whole sectors of industry and give them preferential treatment compared to their EU competitors.

Nationalisation -- public control of industry -- used to be a key policy of the Labour Party. Clause 4 of the old Labour Party constitution used to list as an objective of the party

To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service

This was finally dropped in the 1990s by Tony Blair, but many Labour activists -- including, I think, Jeremy Corbyn, who doesn't seem to have changed his views much since the 1970s -- would like to return to those policies. EU membership would certainly make that difficult under current rules.

That, I think, is what she means by "Socialist."

 

[Porsupah Ree]

Could reality be beginning to dawn on these people?


- coupled with this:

Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab says he would rather scrap Brexit than accept Theresa May's deal

“If you just presented me terms, this deal or EU membership, because we would effectively be bound by the same rules without control or a voice over them, then yes this would be even worse than that,” Raab said.

Raab joins a growing list of leading Conservative Brexiteers who have suggested in recent weeks and months that it would be better to remain in the EU rather than accept what the prime minister has agreed with Brussels.

 

[Chin Rey]

Could reality be beginning to dawn on these people?

Better late than never then.

Regardless of the actual question wheter UK should stay or leave, there are two kinds of people in this mess that simply have lost it: those who think they can go back to the "glorious" days of the British Empire and those who expected a better Brexit deal. Neither of those views make any sense whatsoever.