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The problem is, she's said a number of things.
So has Bernie, so has EVERY candidate. Look....we get it, you're a Bernie fan. But you are like the "annoying online Bernie Bros" in that you can't stop dissing every candidate that isn't Bernie and can't shut up about your Bernie-luv. Hell, you are STILL dissing Hillary who is NOT involved in this race. But let me be perfectly clear....you are not a Democrat, you've said that yourself. Perhaps you should cut back on your Bernie-fanaticism, just a tad, so you don't suck all the air out of the room for us actual Democrats who have actually voted for Democratic candidates in the general election. For me, in the general Election that's Dukakis, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama, Obama, Clinton. You want to know primaries? That would be , Paul Simon, Paul Tsongas, Clinton, Gore, Dean (wanted his delegates to influence the platform), Obama, Obama, Sanders.

My personal preference would be for Warren, but everyone knows that so I really don't need to keep talking about it. Hell, even with a Warren presidency I'd love to see Biden as Secretary of Transportation and Bernie as Secretary of Labor. Hearing the phrase "Bernie Sanders, Secretary of Labor" would make me VERY happy. In fact I think he's more suited for THAT job than the Presidency. Same goes with Biden and Transportation.
 

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So has Bernie, so has EVERY candidate. Look....we get it, you're a Bernie fan. But you are like the "annoying online Bernie Bros" in that you can't stop dissing every candidate that isn't Bernie and can't shut up about your Bernie-luv. Hell, you are STILL dissing Hillary who is NOT involved in this race. But let me be perfectly clear....you are not a Democrat, you've said that yourself. Perhaps you should cut back on your Bernie-fanaticism, just a tad, so you don't suck all the air out of the room for us actual Democrats who have actually voted for Democratic candidates in the general election.
If you can't handle a bit of mild scrutiny and criticism of candidates now, you have no hope in the general.
 

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So has Bernie, so has EVERY candidate. Look....we get it, you're a Bernie fan. But you are like the "annoying online Bernie Bros" in that you can't stop dissing every candidate that isn't Bernie and can't shut up about your Bernie-luv. Hell, you are STILL dissing Hillary who is NOT involved in this race.
Don't bother, Crono. You might as well be talking to an aggressive wall.
 

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There's only one candidate here who has an entire thread devoted to what horrible people his supporters are. There's only one candidate where it is acceptable to label their supporters a derogatory name and use it while lecturing about their inferior behavior. It's perfectly okay to publicly dissect them and discuss what's wrong with them as people. It's like kicking a dog and then wondering why it wants to bite back.

Attacking candidates can be annoying and unpleasant. Attacking voters? That's suicide.
 

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Bernie is easily my choice. The whole free college thing is ridiculous though. How about fixing the elementary schools first and get rid of all the testing nonsense and let teachers teach?
Why is it ridiculous? Free college is a form of self-defense. Educated workers need to be available to attract/create jobs in the modern economy.

States With Free College Programs - NerdWallet

Regions with low education populations are gerting left behind. The Republican promises to bring back unskilled, high paying jobs are particularly absurd. So the unemployable in pockets of rural poverty just molder while the economy in towns with good education heats up.

A combination of free college for anyone who can use it, and a UBI for those who can’t, would go a long way to dent the appeal of right wing extremism.
 
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Why is it ridiculous? Free college is a form of self-defense. Educated workers need to be available to attract/create jobs in the modern economy.
Maybe ridiculous is too strong a word, but I think it is much more important to fix K-12 which is very broken. Start by eliminating laws requiring teachers to spend all their time prepping students for tests and let them actually teach.
 
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Maybe ridiculous is too strong a word, but I think it is much more important to fix K-12 which is very broken. Start by eliminating laws requiring teachers to spend all their time prepping students for tests and let them actually teach.
We need both, really.
 
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Browsing reddit - stinging questions. "Bee-rnie Sanders what are ur thoughts on bees as a human right "




Oh my god three whole varieties of bees!
I just put it in my mouth and pull the gas?
 

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So has Bernie, so has EVERY candidate. Look....we get it, you're a Bernie fan. But you are like the "annoying online Bernie Bros" in that you can't stop dissing every candidate that isn't Bernie and can't shut up about your Bernie-luv. Hell, you are STILL dissing Hillary who is NOT involved in this race. But let me be perfectly clear....you are not a Democrat, you've said that yourself. Perhaps you should cut back on your Bernie-fanaticism, just a tad, so you don't suck all the air out of the room for us actual Democrats who have actually voted for Democratic candidates in the general election. For me, in the general Election that's Dukakis, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama, Obama, Clinton. You want to know primaries? That would be , Paul Simon, Paul Tsongas, Clinton, Gore, Dean (wanted his delegates to influence the platform), Obama, Obama, Sanders.

My personal preference would be for Warren, but everyone knows that so I really don't need to keep talking about it. Hell, even with a Warren presidency I'd love to see Biden as Secretary of Transportation and Bernie as Secretary of Labor. Hearing the phrase "Bernie Sanders, Secretary of Labor" would make me VERY happy. In fact I think he's more suited for THAT job than the Presidency. Same goes with Biden and Transportation.
You see things just as disses. They're not "disses" for the sake of dissing. These are facts that should enter into the calculation of our assessment of these candidates. Despite whatever misgivings I have about most of these candidates, I would still vote for most of them if they end up becoming the nominee because they are still better than Trump, but I am not going in blind. I have a fairly informed view of who they are and what they are inclined to do, and with that in mind I will know where I will have to work on advocacy with them and with my own representatives.

And thanks for looking down your nose at me with the "not a Democrat" business. You demonstrate why some Greens will never vote for a Democrat. News flash: most people don't even LIKE the Democratic Party, and the largest block of voters are the unaffiliated because they don't feel the Democratic Party (and the Republican Party) represents them. Democrats are just the lesser evil and that is nothing to be proud of. The sad reality is that we don't have much choice and the Democratic Party is only there holding off the worst, instead of actively working to do much more.
 

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Almost all of the current polling data shows Mr. Sanders winning the national popular vote. In the most recent national polls testing Democratic candidates against Mr. Trump, Mr. Sanders beat him in every single one, with margins varying from 2 percent to 6 percent. This has been the case for nearly a year now, with Mr. Sanders outpolling the president in 67 of 72 head-to-head polls since March.

As 2016 proved when Hillary Clinton defeated Mr. Trump in the popular vote by nearly three million votes, however, the Electoral College is what matters most. There, Mr. Sanders also does well, outperforming Mr. Trump in polls of the pivotal battleground states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. In the one poll showing significant Trump strength in Wisconsin (Quinnipiac), Mr. Sanders still fares the best of the Democratic contenders.
 
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Did someone stop someone from posting a thread about any other candidate's mean supporters?
We don't go out there complaining about the people who say vile things about Nina Turner or Briahna Joy Gray to delegitimize voters. The abuse they take is invisible in the narrative. We know it exists but we're not using it as a reason to not vote for a candidate. There are plenty of reasons without attacking voters to not vote for any of these people.
 

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Nope, that's the irony.
We don't go out there complaining about the people who say vile things about Nina Turner or Briahna Joy Gray to delegitimize voters. The abuse they take is invisible in the narrative. We know it exists but we're not using it as a reason to not vote for a candidate. There are plenty of reasons without attacking voters to not vote for any of these people.
The media isn't spinning a mean supporter myth about other candidates. So a thread would look kind of pathetic with just a few whiny anecdotes and no "news" to give it the illusion of bigger concern.
Thanks for all of the responses. The only one, however, which answered my question was Aeon's and he/she could have stopped typing after the "Nope".
 

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There's only one candidate here who has an entire thread devoted to what horrible people his supporters are. There's only one candidate where it is acceptable to label their supporters a derogatory name and use it while lecturing about their inferior behavior. It's perfectly okay to publicly dissect them and discuss what's wrong with them as people. It's like kicking a dog and then wondering why it wants to bite back.

Attacking candidates can be annoying and unpleasant. Attacking voters? That's suicide.
From the Washington Post: Sanders supporters have weaponized Facebook to spread angry memes about his Democratic rivals
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Since the beginning of 2019, nearly 3,000 active Facebook pages supporting Sanders have generated more than 290 million interactions — meaning shares, likes or other user actions — according to an analysis by Trevor Davis, a research professor at Livingston’s institute. For contrast, about 350 pages devoted to former vice president Joe Biden have generated just 9 million interactions; nearly 300 pro-Warren pages come in at under 20 million interactions.
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The rising popularity of the tactic among Sanders supporters may help explain the scores of images bashing Sanders’s opponents that have appeared in nearly simultaneous bursts in recent weeks, pushed out by highly networked clusters of Facebook users, according to Davis’s analysis. He did not find evidence that the campaign itself was involved in this activity, focusing instead on the informal Facebook activity by supporters.

No other Democrat’s supporters are engaged in behavior on a similar scale, which is more characteristic of the online movement galvanized by Trump.

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