2020 Democratic Primary

[Anya Ristow]

 

[Essence Lumin]

I think it should go to whoever gets the most votes. However what I think doesn't matter. If Bernie got the most votes they will definitely override it.

Remember when Bernie was fine with superdelegates as long as they helped him out? Pepperidge Farm remembers:

I didn't know that. It is disheartening. All the same whatever Bernie believes or has believed doesn't change my belief in my post. Namely the two points

I think it should go to whoever gets the most votes.

However what I think doesn't matter. If Bernie got the most votes they will definitely override it.

As for the second point, it is very clear to me the democratic establishment which the superdelegates strongly reflect do not like Bernie. If it comes to the second vote they will not be voting for him in any large numbers. I will bookmark this post for June.

 

[Lady Darnk Juniorette]

 

[Free]

Dupe!

 

[Salome]

So....this thread is going well...

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

I currently f'ing hate Anthem. see my who cares post about the recent fun with my insurance...

 

[Salome]

Majority Whip Jim Clyburn: Sanders Never Courted My Endorsement

The South Carolina Democrat said he’s worked productively with the senator for years. But he didn’t actively seek out his endorsement.

t.co

 

[Cristiano]

The Suburban Surge That Helped Save Joe Biden

College-educated voters have bounced from candidate to candidate all primary season – and they’ve settled on the former vice president.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Insurance and pharma stocks are surging today, outpacing the general market rally by 2x-4x.

That will be very short-term, highly tactical, traders looking to make a profit on the immediate reaction to the outcome of the primaries -- that is, betting on the immediate reactions of other traders, who are themselves betting on people's immediate reaction to the same news.

They are ripples from the very small pebble thrown in the water by the primaries, which will be forgotten by the end of trading today.

Anyone buying stocks in US health insurers as a long term investment at the moment, with Covid-19 just kicking off, is insane.

 

[Lady Darnk Juniorette]

So....this thread is going well...

Good lord!!! You got out alive and came back!!!?!

Why!?!? Alsowb

 

[Lady Darnk Juniorette]

Dupe!

YOU'RE A DUPE!!!

 

[Salome]

Good lord!!! You got out alive and came back!!!?!

Why!?!? Alsowb

Oh, I just thought I’d peek in and see if the Super Tuesday results had brought any reality into the mix. Because that’s a thing that totally might happen someday.

I was also shocked to learn negative interactions can happen in threads when I’m not here. I had it on good authority only I caused that

 

[Beebo Brink]

Now that I've had a chance to sit with the Biden wins for a day, I'm going to post something positive. Savor it now, because it will probably be my last for quite some time to come.

I know many people find the rough-and-tumble of the primaries to be painful and fear that it harms the party and our country, but even as I'm licking my wounds and mourning the loss of Warren as a credible candidate, I think this is exactly why primaries work the way they do.

We had a large field of candidates covering a wide range of voices and perspectives. Those voices all expressed themselves, loudly, and everyone jostled and punched each other, and none of that was fun, but in the end it sparked enough of a consensus to move forward. Whether I like it or not, that consensus is focused on Joe Biden, and I think that it's precisely this intense fight that galvanized voters. Whether it was passion for Bernie or fear of Bernie or trust in Joe, or all the above, people got moving and they cast their vote.

If Biden has any chance at all of beating Trump it will be BECAUSE of this fight, not in spite of it.

 

[Aeon Jiminy]

This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about.

If Bernie Sanders ends up tied by the convention, or even ends up actually behind by a point or two, but squeaks out a win via superdelegates, you are not going to have a single moral or ethical criticism of Bernie's nomination.

Tied? Won't happen. Otherwise, I wouldn't be laughing about that scenario. It would make him illegitimate and Trump would crucify him on that hill for his hypocrisy. Then, everything that progressives have worked so hard for would go up in smoke. Being defeated by Trump is worse for social programs than not getting a shot at all. I don't want to lose to Trump taking the moral and ethical lowground. It's not because I'm so principled, it's because I don't want to live in this country with the ramifications that I think the Democratic Establishment are going to usher in with their House of Lords hanky panky. I'd rather send Biden up there with "loser" stamped on his forehead and focus on getting progressives down ballot.

 

[danielravennest]

If the eventual outcome is a brokered convention -- that is, no candidate has gained an absolute majority of delegates -- and the superdelegates' votes come into play, then what do people think should happen?

In particular, should these superdelegates select the candidate who has gained the plurality of delegates, be it Biden or Sanders, regardless of their personal preferences, or should other considerations come into play?

Superdelegates include current office holders and major party officials. They will vote in their own interest and that of their state and local party candidates. So they will vote for whichever candidate they think will help those lower down on the ballot. Here's who the superdelegates are (from Wikipedia)

• 30 distinguished party leaders (DPL), consisting of current and former presidents, current and former vice-presidents, former congressional leaders, and former DNC chairs
• 236 Democratic members of the United States House of Representatives (including non-voting delegates from DC and territories)
• 48 Democratic members of the United States Senate (including Washington, DC shadow senators) and Bernie Sanders, an Independent who caucuses with the Democratic Party
• 28 Democratic governors (including territorial governors and the Mayor of the District of Columbia).
• 438 other elected members (with 434 votes) from the Democratic National Committee (including the chairs and vice-chairs of each state's Democratic Party)

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Superdelegates include current office holders and major party officials (like state party chairpeople). They will vote in their own interest and that of their state and local party party candidates.

Thanks. I realise that the superdelegates exercise their own judgment in casting votes in a brokered convention, but I was just wondering how people thought they should use this ability if the question arises.

 

[Brenda Archer]

Thanks. I realise that the superdelegates exercise their own judgment in casting votes in a brokered convention, but I was just wondering how people thought they should use this ability if the question arises.

I hope they’ll respect the choice of the voters.

Having said that, some of them may have intel the rest of us don’t have, and I’m not going to expect them to ignore that. But it’s also true that some of what passes for insider information is just untested assumptions.

Respecting the will of the voters cannot be really wrong, and avoids dividing a party that will need all the unity it can muster.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

I hope they’ll respect the choice of the voters.

Having said that, some of them may have intel the rest of us don’t have, and I’m not going to expect them to ignore that. But it’s also true that some of what passes for insider information is just untested assumptions.

Respecting the will of the voters cannot be really wrong, and avoids dividing a party that will need all the unity it can muster.

It's tricky because if a brokered convention happens and the superdelegates are needed at all, it means the voters' choice is basically split and there's no clear mandate in any one direction.

 

[Salome]

 

[Salome]

Whether I like it or not, that consensus is focused on Joe Biden, and I think that it's precisely this intense fight that galvanized voters. Whether it was passion for Bernie or fear of Bernie or trust in Joe, or all the above, people got moving and they cast their vote.

If Biden has any chance at all of beating Trump it will be BECAUSE of this fight, not in spite of it.

i think a not-insignificant factor in Biden’s unexpected surge might be a deeply growing mistrust in cult-of-personality candidates in general.