2020 Democratic Primary

bubblesort

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A reckoning? From whom? Maybe you aren't in touch with the Democratic Party, but I am. And they're doing plenty in preparation for the election. In case you forgot, they haven't even had a convention yet (it may end up being a video conference) to officially select Biden. Right now it's fund raising and more fund raising, and paying special attention to the many down ballot races that are necessary for a Biden Presidency to actually accomplish anything.

Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither is a Presidential campaign.
I don't doubt that one bit. They gotta get their bribes and their marching orders lined up with the big corporations before they worry about looping in us proles. They wouldn't want to do anything that would upset the constituents that matter to them... which ain't us.
 

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The Hill made some interesting observations today.

Howard Stern: 'I am all in on Joe Biden' Ummm, where's the outrage? When will Biden disavowal this endorsement? Surely a Howard Stern endorsement is more corrupting than Joe Rogan.

Has anyone been keeping tabs on Putin-Puppet Tulsi Gabbard now that she's endorsed Biden? Is she still a Russian asset?

In other manipulative, hypocritical news : Alyssa Milano has suddenly found her eyes and ears. Her conviction is still misplaced.
 

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Franken was railroaded.
He shouldn’t have resigned.
On the other hand, there was a pattern of allegations against Franken. He admitted to them, apologized, and resigned.

There is one allegation against Biden. He denies the allegation, and there is a concerning Russian connection to the accuser.
 

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On the other hand, there was a pattern of allegations against Franken. He admitted to them, apologized, and resigned.

There is one allegation against Biden. He denies the allegation, and there is a concerning Russian connection to the accuser.
I wasn't aware of the Russia connection, but the timing itself is very suspicious. The MeToo movement has been a thing for a while, now, why wasn't she inspired to make more noise before Biden was a candidate?
The toxic Berners (discussed a while back in another thread) are working very hard to make him sound almost like Jack The Ripper. Do they really think this will force the Democrats to choose Bernie? Or are they the ones that think we "deserve" another term for Dump?
 

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The toxic Berners (discussed a while back in another thread) are working very hard to make him sound almost like Jack The Ripper. Do they really think this will force the Democrats to choose Bernie? Or are they the ones that think we "deserve" another term for Dump?
My thought is -how much of them are simply russian (or other sources -including GOP) signal amplification intended to
a)Split up the dems
b)Discredit the Democratic Socialist movement and the left wing in general.

And, of course, "C" -useful idiots.

The nomination is over, there's no point in attacking Biden at this point; unless you're simply trying to fuck the Democrats.
 

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On the other hand, there was a pattern of allegations against Franken. He admitted to them, apologized, and resigned.

There is one allegation against Biden. He denies the allegation, and there is a concerning Russian connection to the accuser.
As of a year ago, there were at least 7 of them, plus a rumor that one of his victims committed suicide, plus all the creepy inappropriate touching we see from him every time he's on camera with a woman, including his wife (I try not to judge people for their kinks, but sucking on you wife's fingers while she speaks for you at a stump speech is weird). Reade's allegation is on top of this pattern.

Seems like democrats don't care much about Reade, or inconvenient accusations of sexual abuse in general. There are lots of reasons to dislike Biden that don't involve Reade, but I guess people are more interested in convenience than good policy. Hammering on the Reade story until Biden destroys the feminist wing of the party by acting like it's nothing is the only rational move right now, politically. I was hoping to see more attacks on Biden for his do nothing covid response plan, his corruption, his war mongering, or his terrible civil rights record, but I guess the Reade story plays better right now. When it fades, there is a lot more where that came from. Trump won't let any of this slide at the debates.

The debates are going to be a spectacular train wreck. I'm kinda looking forward to it.
 

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We're at fucking rumors now? Let's just jump the conversation straight to fuck you.

Read the fucking thread to see where I stand. I do care about inconvenient accusations. I also care about overly convenient accusations. And your fucking bad faith bullshit.

Just fuck right off. You fucking win, assholee.
 

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I believe that Biden is a fuck of a lot less dangerous than Trump.
That's a valid position to hold, however distasteful it may be, but we are left with distasteful choices. Vote with eyes wide open, understand that Trump is shameless and will use any and all scandals to erase the moral high ground. Thus, 2016 all over again.
 
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I wasn't aware of the Russia connection, but the timing itself is very suspicious. The MeToo movement has been a thing for a while, now, why wasn't she inspired to make more noise before Biden was a candidate?
I’m not a huge fan of the KrassBros, but they’ve been doing a very good breakdown of why Reade’s constantly shifting narratives and shady history make her extremely problematic.

Biden’s history of invading personal space and making inappropriate physical contact have always been visible and taken place with both men and women. People are divided on it because some people like spontaneous physical contact while people like me wish we could turn people to stone when they touch us without permission. It’s a cultural and generational thing. But Biden needs to stop being gone deaf to it and recognize why what‘s comfortable for him and others like him isn‘t okay for many others. However to date, Reade is the only one that claims a sexual/assault element in play (even though she expressly denied it previously). We’ll see how it plays out, but while I believe Biden has work to do on respecting the body autonomy of others, I don’t find anything credible in Reade’s account that would make this narrative stick for the general public. And we saw from the primaries that going after Biden tends to raise his support numbers, not harm them.