The Trump Presidency, Season 2

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Seymour Hersh is going around and telling that the USA will launch an all go-in air strike on Iran this weekend. This means this sunday if what Hersh is telling becomes reality.

Targets are the nuclear sites, bases of Republican Guards, police stations and government offices.

The timing is a concession to Trump, who wants to delay to diminish the shock of bombing on Wall Street (as if Trump ever cared about that).

Trump's plan is to install a moderate religious leader afterwards as new head of state, while Israel wants a sock puppet in place. This is an open gap in goals between America and Israel.

The idea behind is to trigger a democratic uprising against the Ayatollahs, but they want to avoid a permanent failure like in Libya 2011.

 
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Bombing Iran is easy. Putting in troops to create a puppet regime is harder. While there is support for democratic reforms, Iranians are not divided into sectarian lines like Iraq was (and is). The likely response to an invasion would be to pull together.

And you can not force a regime change from the air.
 

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Bombing Iran is easy. Putting in troops to create a puppet regime is harder. While there is support for democratic reforms, Iranians are not divided into sectarian lines like Iraq was (and is). The likely response to an invasion would be to pull together.

And you can not force a regime change from the air.
But we've had such a great track record at forcing regime changes.
 

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Americans would lose their shit if any other country talked about bombing the U.S. to enact "regime change". Funny how blithe they are about doing it to Iran.
YEP. It's kind of the sign of a big, powerful, delusional nation that we expect countries we bomb or invade to be grateful for the privilege. Also reminds me of a story from a number of years ago where someone in Estonia defaced an old soviet monument and Russian immigrants in Estonia acted shocked that Estonians didn't appreciate the occupation that much.
 

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Another country that won't bow down to American tactics is China. Who knows how they will react to all of this.
I'm not seeing much reporting on any international reaction, aside from Hezbollah.

France, Germany, and the UK are just "urging Iran to negotiate."
 

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Another country that won't bow down to American tactics is China. Who knows how they will react to all of this.
Well China has the big advantage of having 3 1/2x the population of America. Even if nukes would go flying around, China will be still more powerful in terms of survivors.

And we do know from history how China reacts to invaders: they got patience and strike back when times comes like the Borg, quietly absorbing people. Take look at the Qing dynasty, which reigned from 1644 to 1912 and was of Manchurian ethnicity.

It was also the dynasty of the last Chinese emperor ever.

After WWII China insisted that the area of Manchuria belongs to it, because the Manchurians themselves told so and reigned China for centuries. As nobody insisted, it became part of PRC. For a long time China was part of Manchuria, not the other way around.

And then while on paper a protected minoirity, the identity, culture and ethnicity of Manchurians was slowly erased. Today they are really sinified visually, and most don't even speak their old language any longer.

The Borg from TNG are really quite a fitting analogy for the Chinese people.
 
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I'm hearing on the news in Australia that dickhead has organised it all. It's the 12 day war and cease fires abound.
He's so fucking embarrassing on a global stage.
 

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I'm hearing on the news in Australia that dickhead has organised it all. It's the 12 day war and cease fires abound.
He's so fucking embarrassing on a global stage.
Which of the many dickheads? So many dickheads ... so little time .... wait, that came out wrong. :ashamed:
 

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Trump said FUCK at a press conference today. Will the press be flogged if they print it as is? Or will they just go with F___ and F-bombs, trying to pretend like he was only being a bit naughty?
 
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Trump said FUCK at a press conference today. Will the press be flogged if they print it as is? Or will they just go with F___ and F-bombs, trying to pretend like he was only being a bit naughty?
I just saw it on the news. It was muted out with his mouth blurred out while he said it, but anyone familiar with the word knew exactly what was said. I'd be interested in seeing printed articles on it.
 
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I just saw it on the news. It was muted out with his mouth blurred out while he said it, but anyone familiar with the word knew exactly what was said. I'd be interested in seeing printed articles on it.
CNN has a headline for a video where they use f**k. MSNBC's headline uses F-bomb.
 
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Well, I said f*ck when I saw this:


Comment: "We have to protect the children! Wait.... you're gonna force people to tell you about kids being sexually abused? Fuck that! We're suing!" - conservatives 2025 (paraphrased obv)
 

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What was the context of him saying fuck anyway?