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The shootings will continue until morale improves.

Oregon to investigate Border Patrol shooting of couple in Portland
Authorities in Oregon are investigating a shooting by federal agents that left a married couple wounded in Portland and sparked renewed outrage over the Trump administration’s handling of its immigration crackdown in the city and across the US.

The shooting Thursday afternoon inflamed tensions a day after an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent fatally shot a woman in Minneapolis, prompting protests nationwide.

After Wednesday’s killing, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey told agents to “get the fuck out” of the city. After the Portland shooting, Oregon state Sen. Kayse Jama took a similar tone, telling ICE agents to “get the hell out of our community.”
The Portland shooting unfolded as US Border Patrol agents conducted a “targeted vehicle stop” and one of the agents “fired defensive shots” after the driver tried to run the agents over, Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said in a statement.

“The driver drove off with the passenger, fleeing the scene,” she said.

The husband in the car was shot in the arm, and the wife was in the chest, a senior law enforcement source said. Their conditions were not immediately clear.
 

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The killing of Renee Nicole Good, a mother of three and widow of a military veteran, tests that assumption. ICE, said Ellison, is all but telling people, “‘You want to defend your neighbors, you’re going to do it at the risk of your own life.’ I think that’s the unmistakable message. Just looking at the tape, they could have said, ‘You get out of here,’ right? And then she gets out of there. They didn’t want her to get out of there. They wanted to either drag her out of that car or do what they did. And it was all about teaching lessons.”

The lesson didn’t end with Good’s killing — the administration had to smear her afterward. As The New York Times reported, bystander footage filmed from several different angles shows that the agent who shot Good wasn’t in the path of her SUV when he fired on her. That did not stop Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem from accusing Good of trying to run agents over in “an act of domestic terrorism.” Vice President JD Vance called her a “deranged leftist.”
 

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Jesus Christ, Schmidt really needs another Lincoln Project for him to get kicked out of.
 

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...one of the most powerful stealth cyber-weapons ever created – which was produced outside the US – is now in the hands of an agency that has repeatedly been accused by civil and human rights groups of violating people’s due process rights.

When it is successfully deployed against a target, the hacking software – called Graphite – can hack into any phone. By essentially taking control of the mobile phone, the user – in this case, Ice – can not only track an individual’s whereabouts, read their messages, look at their photographs, but also open and read information held on encrypted applications, like WhatsApp or Signal. Spyware like Graphite can also be used as a listening device, through the manipulation of the phone’s recorder.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/02/trump-immigration-ice-israeli-spyware
 

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Good.

Now make it so, citizens.
That is far easier said than done. They're all tarted up in the latest in ballistic fashion. Even a behemoth pistol like the Desert Eagle .45 won't do much except make their ribs really sore. You need rifles, and big bore ones, at that.

Ever seen a .50 caliber sniper rifle? It's not something you keep handy as you drive to Piggly Wiggly. The ammo alone will just about sink your dinghy.

You are asking people to commit suicide.
 

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The Economist: The “terrorist” killed by ICE was a mum in her SUV (Evernote link because £wall)

DHS’s assertions in the past have been repeatedly debunked. Witness testimony, social-media videos and body-cam footage shown during hearings in federal court in Chicago last year revealed that Border Patrol agents involved in such confrontations lied under oath and exaggerated the threat from protesters in order to justify their aggression. Yet these revelations did not stop the pattern from recurring once the deportation machine came to Minneapolis. “We’ve dreaded this moment since the early stages of this ICE presence in Minneapolis”, said Jacob Frey, the city’s mayor, in a press conference after the shooting. Like the mayors of Los Angeles and Chicago before him, Mr Frey argues that ICE’s presence is provoking unrest, not making cities safer. “I have a message for ICE,” he said. “Get the fuck out of Minneapolis.”
 

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That is far easier said than done. They're all tarted up in the latest in ballistic fashion. Even a behemoth pistol like the Desert Eagle .45 won't do much except make their ribs really sore. You need rifles, and big bore ones, at that.

Ever seen a .50 caliber sniper rifle? It's not something you keep handy as you drive to Piggly Wiggly. The ammo alone will just about sink your dinghy.

You are asking people to commit suicide.
'Kay ...

And your suggestion is ... what?

You do understand that we are at a point where it is not likely to matter soon, right?

Either way, they should be afraid. They're not going to be geared up 24/7.
 

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'Kay ...

And your suggestion is ... what?

You do understand that we are at a point where it is not likely to matter soon, right?

Either way, they should be afraid. They're not going to be geared up 24/7.
It's absolutely a fair and timely question. I don't know.

I don't think we're quite at the point of suicide attacks being the only option, and, despite how one might interpret my post, I'm also not for posting snipers on roofs just yet. Besides, I don't think it is crazy to imagine that sniper attacks work way better and easier in movies than they do in real life. We're also not likely to have a whole army of trained snipers packing $5,000 rifles that are pretty much useless for any other purpose with $1,500 scopes (daytime only) firing ammo that costs $10 per round for a practice round. The really accurate stuff costs more. Much more. Each of those snipers needs a trained spotter ($1,000+ spotting scope for daytime operations or way, way more for night. Of course, that's the same for the sniper's scope.) Then those two need a whole highly trained, equipped, and conditioned support team, all of whom are on our side. Frankly, most of the folks who actually know how to do that voodoo stuff are on the other team.

So, I'm sorry, but armed conflict against these bubbas won't work for the same reason that the ammosexuals' "2nd 'mement gon' save us from tyrants" BS won't work. The tyrants have tanks, jets, missiles, the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard plus all the National Guards and Reserves. ICE is just the first wave. We have already seen that there won't be any "I'm not obeying illegal orders" refusals from any of the services. Apparently, the armed forces command's motto is, "I have a career to think about, man! Semper Vulvae!" So that's what we're up against.

I do wish I knew something that would be both practical and effective. How do countries get themselves out of these fascist and/or totalitarian messes? I'm not thinking of any great examples from history that don't involve the intervention of outside forces (WWII -- hey, remember when we were the good guys?) or near-total collapse of the apparatus of the state (USSR -- maybe not a great example since they jumped right back into another dictatorship.)