Trump attacks Iran nuclear sites

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It's pretty weird, like he's forgetting which persona (MAGA creep/business pro) he's using mid message.

Gives me dementia vibes, personally.
The lights are definitely not all on upstairs with him. I'm just not sure which is worse: A senile Mango Moron, or an absolutely evil couch-fucker.
 

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The lights are definitely not all on upstairs with him. I'm just not sure which is worse: A senile Mango Moron, or an absolutely evil couch-fucker.
They're both bad, but I'd almost rather have the The Sofa Inseminator. He radiates vibes of weakness and neurosis. He would constantly be compared unfavorably to Trump. And replaced by someone more charismatic after taking a disgraceful fall for breaking/ending yet more shit the Heritage Foundation wants to done away with. Without Trump depending on how he left... some MAGA might sit out the midterm elections in protest.
 

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He has always conflated the "United States" with "Me".
That helps explain why he needs to buy 'magnum'-sized flagpoles, despite the flags only needing like medium-sized flagpoles.
 
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Is anyone else sort of grimly amused that this schmuck thinks he can bring peace to the Middle East (and get a Nobel Peace Prize LIKE OBAMA'S ONLY BETTER) by yelling, "You kids knock that off!"?
 

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Is anyone else sort of grimly amused that this schmuck thinks he can bring peace to the Middle East (and get a Nobel Peace Prize LIKE OBAMA'S ONLY BETTER) by yelling, "You kids knock that off!"?
I'm hoping that the one advantage to having a president who is a blatant train-wreck of a human being is that adversaries are cowed by the possibility that he'll nuke them if they don't behave. Previous presidents -- with a sense of proportion and common decency -- would not do that, but Trump absolutely would.
 

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So basically, all we did was kick the bear in the nuts and piss it off? How many tens of millions of dollars did we pay to do that?
I think there were six B-2's, plus one that made a run to Guam as a decoy*. They flew non-stop from Missouri to Iran and back, with, I think, six in-air refuelings each way. $65,000 per hour to operate each B-2, so that's around $19,000,000. Around $22,000 per hour for the tankers, but I have no clue how to calculate how many hours of operation they would have had. Seems like it would need to be at least as many as the bombers by the time they fly out to the intercept point, then return to base.

Did we have AWACs up? From the little I know about it, it seems unlikely we'd run a mission without 'em. Add some more planes at however many thousands per hour.

Those bunker-buster bombs are pretty insanely high tech -- no idea what they cost, but I'd be amazed if it is under $10,000,000 and we dropped six of them. (Good lord -- I just looked them up. They weigh in at 30,000 pounds.)

No doubt buttloads of support on land and sea, but those soldiers, airmen, and sailors were going to be working anyway and didn't get bonus pay (amirite, Katheryne Helendale ?) so that's a wash, but if we had to move big boats around, the fuel and wear & tear costs of that add up quick.

Conservative estimate: $100,000,000 to, as you say, kick the bear in the nuts and, it turns out, look pretty incompetent in the bargain.

* How pissed do you think the pilots of the decoy mission were when they found out their assignment?
 
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No doubt buttloads of support on land and sea, but those soldiers, airmen, and sailors were going to be working anyway and didn't get bonus pay (amirite, @Katheryne Helendale ?)
Yep. The manpower involved was pretty much already expensed.
 

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Reuters:

US strikes failed to destroy Iran's nuclear sites, intelligence report says

Comparing US Iran strike to Hiroshima, Trump plays down intelligence report

"The intelligence was ... very inconclusive," Trump told reporters while meeting with NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte ahead of a summit in The Hague.

"The intelligence says, 'We don't know, it could have been very severe.' That's what the intelligence says. So I guess that's correct, but I think we can take the 'we don't know'. It was very severe. It was obliteration," Trump added.
So "We don't know" means "In fact, we do know it was very severe. It was obliteration."

Hmm.
 

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* How pissed do you think the pilots of the decoy mission were when they found out their assignment?
Not at all. Diversion is a critical component of such missions. It ranks with any other duty as assigned.

Note: My first reaction, to Innula's post above, was a minion but then I decided that it was insulting to equate minions and the rump.
 

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I noticed dumb people like Trump can't handle not knowing something. If he doesn't know something, he'll just make up something that is favorable to him. I'm sure we damaged the nuclear sites, but it's probably really hard to assess the damage so quickly. ...but obviously he has an incentive to say everything he does was GREAT SUCCESS!!!

Not at all. Diversion is a critical component of such missions. It ranks with any other duty as assigned.
Yeah, it was my understanding (as a clueless civilian) that combat troops OFTEN get fake missions for training purposes so this is normal in many ways. I'd think a decoy mission might even be SLIGHTLY safer than being on the real one. They are still helping.
 

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Conservative estimate: $100,000,000 to, as you say, kick the bear in the nuts and, it turns out, look pretty incompetent in the bargain.
For that kind of money you can't even buy every American a decent cold can of soda.
And don't forget all that extra tariffs money rolling into the US treasure chest.

That bombing was a bargain, no?
An who knows maybe Mexico will pay for it.