The Trump Presidency, Season 2

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Let us not forget who she was accusing - a man who is not opposed to doing any illegal maneuver in the world to avoid responsibility. That includes bullying his victims into NDAs and suing the living crap out of everybody else.

Legally, you are correct. But The Real World suggests that she could very well have a valid accusation. Going on the history of Trump, I tend to believe her.


^^^ right there. That's the signature.
Yes, but if someone made similar allegations about Hunter Biden and then withdrew them for similar reasons, MAGA would be all over them and we'd be more sceptical. While the allegations about Trump are certainly more plausible than if she'd made them about someone like the late President Carter or Dr Fauci, that doesn't necessary make them true, and since we can't know one way or the other, I don't see the point of speculating.
 

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Yes, but if someone made similar allegations about Hunter Biden and then withdrew them for similar reasons, MAGA would be all over them and we'd be more sceptical. While the allegations about Trump are certainly more plausible than if she'd made them about someone like the late President Carter or Dr Fauci, that doesn't necessary make them true, and since we can't know one way or the other, I don't see the point of speculating.
Speculation tends to rise up and replace informational voids. The less we humans know, the more we imagine things. I don't see how we can legislate against something that is essentially human nature.
 
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Trump goes off on "weakling" supporters on Truth Social post

“Their new SCAM is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax, and my PAST supporters have bought into this ‘bullshit,’ hook, line, and sinker,” Trump wrote in a missive on Truth Social. “They haven’t learned their lesson, and probably never will, even after being conned by the Lunatic Left for 8 long years.”

“I have had more success in 6 months than perhaps any President in our Country’s history, and all these people want to talk about, with strong prodding by the Fake News and the success starved Dems, is the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax,” he wrote. “Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work, don’t even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success, because I don’t want their support anymore!”
Wow lol, this is really getting to him.

Do it, lapdogs. Go on those conservative podcasts and radio shows and YouTube channels where you used to pound the table about the Democrats and Epstein and start calling it the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax in front of everyone, you cowards. Say that everyone who believes in it is guilty of spreading Democrat propaganda. I wanna see it!
 

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Speculation tends to rise up and replace informational voids. The less we humans know, the more we imagine things. I don't see how we can legislate against something that is essentially human nature.
I'm not suggesting we legislate against people speculating about stuff. I'm just saying that it's pretty pointless if you don't have any concrete evidence, and probably best avoided because it can fuel conspiratorial thinking.
 

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Inside Trump’s Frantic, Failing Mission to Crush the Epstein ‘MAGA Rebellion’
It was a week from hell that nearly broke Donald Trump’s administration. By the time it was over, the president had sustained more blowback and political damage for his administration’s handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files than he did for bombing Iran last month.

“The week was a big kick in the balls,” a senior administration official bluntly notes. “It was a lot to deal with and there were many emotions.”
The end is nowhere in sight, as the president’s supporters — from MAGA influencers and Republican politicians — continue to raise hell over the Justice Department’s memo announcing the administration’s belief that Epstein killed himself in prison, and that it was effectively closing its case on the convicted sex offender and accused sex trafficker. The melodrama has clearly eaten away at the notoriously mercurial president’s patience. “They won’t shut the fuck up about it,” Trump privately vented — referring to conservative influencers and media types lashing out over the Epstein memo — according to a source with direct knowledge of the matter.
 

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Trump goes off on "weakling" supporters on Truth Social post

“Their new SCAM is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax, and my PAST supporters have bought into this ‘bullshit,’ hook, line, and sinker,”
I've already been amazed at Trump's ability to lie about things we have on video and in writing for years. But even for him, it seems like this is pushing the limit. Trump and his buddies are the ones who promised big revelations from the Epstein files. Even many of his most loyal cult members can remember that. I have doubts the Epstein "list" is real, but it's just undeniable that they promised it.
 
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Someone, probably here on VVO introduced me to the Young Turks. They give the best analysis of what is going on with the current US situation. I run across other streamers such as meidastouch which even given these melodramatic times they over dramatize things. The Young Turks tell it like it is. This video describes among other things how the Epstein files are causing a major split in the maga movement.



Then for dark comedy. That is difficult to do nowadays since the reality is so dark. Jon Stewart on the Daily Show hit it out of the park here.

 
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Entertaining summary of Trump's blunders and the MAGA meltdown over Epstein from David Aaronovitch:


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On Tuesday Trump got even crosser with his own turbulent theorists. “They want to talk about the Epstein hoax”, he wrote, “and the sad part, they are doing Democrats work. They are stupid people”. He might have reflected that being called stupid had never, during his political career stopped his stupid supporters from actually being stupid. Almost the reverse.
His take on it

You want to know what I think is probably the truth? There are three main possibilities: that there is no list so its unsurprising that one hasn’t been found; there is but it’s in a storage depot somewhere, next to Caravaggio’s Nativity with St Francis and St Lawrence; there is a list, Pam Bondi had it on her desk then the deep state disappeared it.

67% of Americans polled this week opted for the last option, I’m very much inclined to the first. I don’t think it ever existed because there was no need for it to. Like most rich predators Epstein’s vice was enabled by one or two procurers, of whom Maxwell was the most significant, kept safe from scrutiny by his wealth and lifestyle (many houses, many rooms, many cars, many lackeys, incurious authorities) and not often or at all “shared” with other men, except maybe a prince or two. He didn’t need it to be.

But, as Umberto Eco might have said, the Epstein listers are now everywhere, aided by the fact that they have never existed. And contrary to the old adage, with human beings not only can there be smoke without fire, but today there is almost always smoke without fire. Especially since producing smoke can be both enjoyable and lucrative. It is far more profitable to concoct a list than ever to have been on one. On this issue, weh ist mir, I agree with Trump.
 

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*taps lip*

Maurene Comey, daughter of James Comey and prosecutor of Jeffrey Epstein, is fired
Maurene Comey, who prosecuted Jeffrey Epstein and is former FBI Director James Comey’s daughter, was fired Wednesday from her job in the Manhattan U.S. attorney’s office, according to two people familiar with the matter who were granted anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

The reason for her firing was not immediately clear. She did not immediately respond to phone calls and an email seeking comment. Spokespeople for the Justice Department and the U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment.

Comey, who had worked in the U.S. attorney’s office for nearly a decade, prosecuted both Epstein and his associate Ghislaine Maxwell.
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They give the best analysis of what is going on with the current US situation....The Young Turks tell it like it is.
Do they? At the very least, I expect a basic understanding of how government is supposed to work. And apparently this young woman has no clue why Biden didn't just release the information on Epstein.

It was not his information to control.

The president is supposed to remain separate from the Department of Justice and Biden followed the rule of law. How can you present analysis of the Trump Administration failings if you don't possess the context for his actions?
 

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Do they? At the very least, I expect a basic understanding of how government is supposed to work. And apparently this young woman has no clue why Biden didn't just release the information on Epstein. ...
Perhaps AI pumping out more mediocrity?
 
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If you zoom out even more, the need for conspiracy theories like the Epstein Myth might be baked into societies — not as an anti-elite narrative but as a mechanism that protects the elite. Because if you’re told that your society is the best and most moral one there is and yet your society clearly has problems…the conspiracy theory that blames outside forces acts as a protective force, shielding elites from accountability and making it easy to blame others. The way Jews were made scapegoats in Germany is one recent example. The fact that Rasputin was blamed for the degeneracy of the Tsar is another example. And of course there’s the focus on the “Jewish lobby” that supposedly explains why America backs genocide. There are many other examples…
Things have radically changed for the MAGA world now that Trump is not into the Epstein Myth anymore. Suddenly, Epstein holds no explanatory power for them — suddenly it doesn’t explain why America is so corrupt. Trump and his people had made Epstein a liberal boogyman — he was the lynchpin in a global pedo cabal working with the wokeists and the globalists to undermine America. But now that Trump has flipped and is saying that the Epstein Myth is itself a liberal conspiracy to undermine himself and the MAGA movement (possibly hatched by Barack Obama himself!), you have all sorts of MAGA characters who previously made Epstein central parts of their identity go back on their word and fall into line and say Epstein is no big deal. Now that the boss is implicated in the Evil Cabal, talk of this Evil Cabal must be suppressed.