The Death of the Grand Old Party

Romana · May 13, 2021

Argent Stonecutter said:
Pretty sad, since "republic" literally means "not having a royal family".

They're the Trumplican party now ;they might as well say that instead.

WolfEyes · May 13, 2021

Fionalein said:
or mandatory ID cards for everyone like ~~the Brits~~ 1st World nations,...

In all 50 states of the US you must, by state law [enforcement (LE)], carry official photo ID with you at all times. Official being defined as state issued such as driver's license and state ID card (no driving privileges, strictly for ID only). So um yeah. You do have to have an ID card in the US. Or did I read your post wrong?

Free · May 13, 2021

WolfEyes said:
In all 50 states of the US you must, by state law, carry official photo ID with you at all times.

Where have you read that?

There are a number of situations where you need to carry a legal photo ID, such as to take a commercial flight, or to enter federal buildings. It's illegal to drive without your license. Buying certain things like guns or alcohol (or...cold medicine).

About half the states have "Stop and Identify" laws. But I don't know of any state where it's illegal to let's say take a walk without an ID. That's not to say you won't see problems if you go for a walk without an ID. Then again, you can get meet with trouble even when you go for a walk WITH an ID.

Free · May 13, 2021

Katheryne Helendale · May 13, 2021

GoblinCampFollower said:
American Republicans seem to have recently forgotten that America doesn't have a royal family.

Oh, we do -- or, rather, they do. Their royal family is currently living at Mar-a-Lago.

Katheryne Helendale · May 13, 2021

Free said:

To-may-toe, to-mah-toe.

Free · May 14, 2021

Katheryne Helendale said:
To-may-toe, to-mah-toe.

Fruit.

WolfEyes · May 14, 2021

Free said:
Where have you read that?

There are a number of situations where you need to carry a legal photo ID, such as to take a commercial flight, or to enter federal buildings. It's illegal to drive without your license. Buying certain things like guns or alcohol (or...cold medicine).

About half the states have "Stop and Identify" laws. But I don't know of any state where it's illegal to let's say take a walk without an ID. That's not to say you won't see problems if you go for a walk without an ID. Then again, you can get meet with trouble even when you go for a walk WITH an ID.

If you are white you don't have anything to worry about so you don't need to bother carrying ID with you at all times.

There is no federal law, I didn't say there was.

Oh. I see the problem. I left out the word enforcement. Let me fix that. Sorry about that.

Free · May 14, 2021

WolfEyes said:
There is no federal law, I didn't say there was.

I didn't say you did.

You said "In all 50 states of the US you must, by state law ... carry official photo ID with you at all times."

I don't know of such state laws for all the 50 states.

WolfEyes · May 14, 2021

And while I'm thinking about it and so I don't forget...

This happened in 2015 and then we all know what happened in 2016 and the events that have happened since.

How the Supreme Court Made It Legal for Cops to Pull You Over for Just About Anything

Even hanging an air freshener.

www.themarshallproject.org

Legal principles can be complicated, but in most courts, until eight months ago, there was a pretty simple one: Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Then came Heien v. North Carolina, decided by the U.S. Supreme Court in December. Now the principle is: Ignorance of the law is no excuse — unless you’re the cop enforcing the law, in which case it is, or at least can be, depending upon whether your ignorance is reasonable or not, to be determined upon later review.

At a time when tension between police and citizenry was already at a pitch — the opinion came down three weeks after the no-indictment announcement regarding Michael Brown’s death in Ferguson, Mo. — the court’s ruling provided police with even greater leeway in how they conduct stops and subject people to questioning and searches. The law already allowed police to make stops on pretext — that is, to pull someone over for some minor infraction in order to investigate more serious wrongdoing. The law already set conditions under which police, in making stops, could be wrong about the facts. Now, with the Heien decision, police could also be wrong about the law.

In the eight months since, courts in at least a dozen states have excused mistakes made by police who initiated stops based on a misunderstanding of what is legal and what is not, according to a canvass of court rulings. Police from California to Kansas to Illinois to New Hampshire proved ignorant of the law on items ranging from tail lights to turn signals to tinted windows to fog lines to U-turns to red lights — only to be rewarded for it, as judges, in the typical scenario, refused to throw out evidence (drugs, most often) seized as a result of the ill-founded stops.

Am I the only one that sees a connection?

WolfEyes · May 14, 2021

Free said:
I didn't say you did.

You said "In all 50 states of the US you must, by state law"

I don't know of such state laws for all the 50 states.

Like I said, that should have read by state law enforcement, meaning state police officers. Not actual laws. Again, sorry for the mixup.