The 2024 U.S. Presidential race

Innula Zenovka

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hmm. I tried Soen's website for The Guardian and it got a mixed result.


I took a look at the website's detailed reasons for the rating, and it seems they're conflating The Guardian's straight reporting, which they agree is generally accurate, with the paper's Op-eds (or, more specifically, the Op-eds' headlines), which they say are sometimes misleading and partisan.

I'd agree with that -- indeed, some of the paper's regular columnists sometimes grumble about the headlines the sub-editors write for them -- but I think it misses the point rather.

When the paper's editorial content fails the fact-checks, at least according to the website, it's generally when they uncritically report studies by campaigning organisations without checking their details.

For what it's worth, I think most people in the UK would regard The Guardian, The Times, The Independent, iNews, and the Financial Times as generally reliable, along with the BBC, ITV and Sky News.
 
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The shit about Vance and his sexual molestation of couch cushions was parody, but Vance is still turning out to be creepy as fuck.

 

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So the official R line is that Harris hasn't officially been nominated. While technically true, surely they understand OPTICS. This looks so weak and chaotic for Donnie!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 

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So the official R line is that Harris hasn't officially been nominated. While technically true, surely they understand OPTICS. This looks so weak and chaotic for Donnie!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
They are also trying to compare Harris taking the reigns to an undemocratic coup like Trump trying to throw out the 2020 election. It's just pathetic, really.
 

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They are also trying to compare Harris taking the reigns to an undemocratic coup like Trump trying to throw out the 2020 election. It's just pathetic, really.
While they're spinning away, Kamala is outraising Trump in donations and now has scared him off the podium for the scheduled 2nd Presidential debate.

Harris could end up having a different kind of problem: There are so many different viable attack angles you can't cover them all. Choose wisely.
 

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Donald Trump is having the worst week

In a week that delivered an absolute avalanche of feel-good stories about likely Democratic nominee Kamala Harris, one man has been shoved completely to the sidelines. Donald Trump is afraid to debate her. He’s unable to find a way into the news cycle. And a VP selection made just 11 days ago is making Sarah Palin seem like a brilliant choice.

Trump’s campaign is anxiously playing defense. Trump’s nickname for Harris only makes her seem better. Republican leaders are telling party members to see if they can find any line of attack that isn’t purely racism and sexism—while Trump’s spokesperson is suggesting that racism may be all they have.

And Trump is demonstrating the last sign of total political desperation for any Republican: He’s citing Rasmussen polls.

Huh. So this is what a good week looks like.

Shortly after Joe Biden announced that he was suspending his campaign on Sunday afternoon, The Atlantic reported on how this blew up Trump’s entire campaign. Trump’s team was convinced that it was too late, that Biden couldn’t withdraw. The primaries were done. Biden insisted he was staying. And Trump was free to run a campaign in which he knocked “Sleepy Joe” for his poor performance in the first debate all the way to November.

The mentality of this Trump campaign, [Trump senior advisor Chris] LaCivita once told me, is to spend every day on offense. The team wants to shape the pace and substance of every news cycle and force Democrats to react, ensuring that key battles are fought on the GOP’s chosen terrain.
That is not happening.
 

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If 9 facts point in one direction and 1 fact points in another, don't cherry pick the one, but don't ignore it either, but take nothing at face value. Develop credible sources you can trust, who do their homework on examining if a fact is true or made up. Accept both the overbounding preponderance of evidence in the main direction but also accept that there will be outliers that may be equally valid if confirmed.

For example, our senator is overall a good representative, but she has numerous unpaid parking tickets from before her election. Well, everyone has parking tickets, but she has A LOT. But is she a scofflaw? She got her law degree at the University of Minnesota, which has a notorious parking situation on the west bank where the law school is, so perhaps getting to class on time was more important than paying a fine. So why couldn't she arrange a better parking situation? Maybe as a refugee immigrant she had difficulty understanding the process, or couldn't get a parking permit (they are limited), or maybe she was balancing education and taking care of her parents & siblings and she was riding chaos and parking was the only ball she could allow to drop. Or maybe she just didn't give a rat's ass about parking tickets and is secretly petty & arrogant.

You just need to accept the totality of the facts, but also accept not all the facts align, that people are human, that circumstances are unique, and some admirable people are closet a**holes but still fight the good fight. Yup: shades of gray.
 
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Yeah, that sure aged like milk.

 

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The dissatisfied leftie to shrieking far right freak pipeline is real.
I think at least part of the reason is that left-wing populists (as opposed to socialists and Marxists) have the same overall conception of capitalism as in some way a neutral system which causes injustice and suffering because the wrong people (bankers, elites, the 1%, etc) are in change and are abusing their position to cheat the innocent masses of the rightful fruits of their labour.

It's the same basic structure that the right-wing see, only with a slightly different cast of elite villains and innocent and exploited victims.
 

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An ex-adviser to former President Bill Clinton has predicted that former President Donald Trump will remove Senator JD Vance as his vice presidential pick.

Rumors of Trump suffering buyer's remorse after choosing Vance as his 2024 running mate have been rampant since President Joe Biden dropped out of the race and endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris as the likely Democratic presidential nominee.

While Trump has publicly insisted that he is happy with Vance, saying the senator is "doing a fantastic job" and has been "very well received" by the public during a Fox News interview on Thursday, worries remain about whether the Ohio senator could be a liability for Republicans in November.
This is being put out by Paul Begala, who has absolutely no insight into Trump's campaign, so I highly doubt his prophesying skill.