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If you leave Trump on Twitter, you feed his power.

If you take Trump off Twitter, you feed his power.

WE lose either way.
I think you're making a false equivalency. His tweets are unpopular with all but his most devoted followers. He is mostly shooting himself in the foot. If he is kicked off twitter, he'll have resources to blast his stupidity by other means. The only difference is that he'll have extra ammo since Americans fall hook line and sinker for cries of "censorship."
 

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I think you're making a false equivalency. His tweets are unpopular with all but his most devoted followers. He is mostly shooting himself in the foot. If he is kicked off twitter, he'll have resources to blast his stupidity by other means. The only difference is that he'll have extra ammo since Americans fall hook line and sinker for cries of "censorship."
Actually since Trump is a walking pile of NPD that cannot control his compulsive need to create drama for attention, banning him from Twitter would force him to go through the protocol of making public statements the traditional way. This would make us (and the world) safer because he couldn’t tweet us to the brink of military action with some “my dick is bigger” nonsense as he has in the past.

Also, the idea that him being locked out of Twitter would last beyond a week in the relentless news cycle is incredibly naive given the world we’re currently living in. The only place it would feed power is at his rallies and those people are already dug in for the whole ride.
 
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Actually since Trump is a walking pile of NPD that cannot control his compulsive need to create drama for attention, banning him from Twitter would force him to go through the protocol of making public statements the traditional way. This would make us (and the world) safer because he couldn’t tweet us to the brink of military action with some “me dick is bigger” nonsense as he has in the past.
I'm often seeing parallels between Trump and Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. What Chavez would do was take over a TV station and rant on air about the traitors holding back their grand revolution.

Trump already does a mini me version of this with phoning in to Fox. At least once he kept going through most of the show leaving the hosts trying desperately to hang up the phone.

Deplatform him on Twitter and he'll be on every call in show all day demanding attention, and stepping out on a limb here, an eventual Good Morning Mister President show on Fox. Daily. And overrunning it's time slot almost every time. Ads? Those can wait, The Donald is talking right now. They love me. Everyone agrees.
 

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Well Trump was alrady shut down on Twitter this year for 11 minutes. Suspended by an employee on his last work day.

Some people later suggested that this "rogue employee" as Trump called him should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Price.
 
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I think you're making a false equivalency. His tweets are unpopular with all but his most devoted followers. He is mostly shooting himself in the foot. If he is kicked off twitter, he'll have resources to blast his stupidity by other means. The only difference is that he'll have extra ammo since Americans fall hook line and sinker for cries of "censorship."
I just don't buy the idea that censoring someone makes people convert to their way of thinking. You might fairly condemn the censorship, but if you then become a follower, clearly there is another deeper reason why you aligned yourself with that individual morally and politically. Something has to make sense to you in order for you to adopt it as a belief.

Not that I class twitter bans as censorship. Only self-entitled brats believe they are owed a twitter account.
 

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I just don't buy the idea that censoring someone makes people convert to their way of thinking. You might fairly condemn the censorship, but if you then become a follower, clearly there is another deeper reason why you aligned yourself with that individual morally and politically. Something has to make sense to you in order for you to adopt it as a belief.

Not that I class twitter bans as censorship. Only self-entitled brats believe they are owed a twitter account.
You are looking at this as a rational person, but many American voters are not so rational and would see it differently. If Trump was banned from Twitter, he'd cry "censorship" and many Americans would take him seriously. I'm NOT saying he'd be right, I'm saying many voters would believe him.

Editing to elaborate on how irrational a lot of American voters are: A lot of Trump supporters voted for someone they thought was a loon specifically as a big FU to the establishment. Michael Moore gave a great speech on that American mentality of sticking it to the man even if it means shooting yourself in the foot. You are very correct that a rational person wouldn't become a Trump voter just because of a false "censorship" but assuming voters are rational is a great way to loose elections in this crazy country.

No other American president needed twitter. No other current sitting world leader needs twitter. You can't say the same about Donald Trump. He has no long-form intelligence.
I totally agree with you here. But I think it's certain he'd get a short term boost form being banned, even if he wrecks it later. So I really hope they don't ban him right before the midterms...
 
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A boost in what sense? A boost among those who already support him, sure. But they already support him.
Many of the stick headed "stick it to he man!" folks I'm talking about actually are swing voters. Sanders was actually very popular in that crowd, though most hated Clinton. That's why appealing to this block of silly people can be useful for winning elections.
 

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Yeah, I'm sure keeping Trump on Twitter will be the thing that gets the Sanders-contingent of swing voters on our side.
 

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Yeah, I'm sure keeping Trump on Twitter will be the thing that gets the Sanders-contingent of swing voters on our side.
Nice straw man there.

There are reasons why this hypothetical ban could help Trump among some swing voters. It has to do with how crazy Americans are, which is why it is understandable that some smart people here don't get it.
 
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Since the point of banning him would be for Twitter to show that their rules apply to everyone equally, and not to make some sort of political statement, who cares if it weakens him or not?
Exactly. Our country has a pretty fundamental principle of laws (and rules) applying to everyone equally. Obviously there is a little wiggle room, like someone throwing themselves on the mercy of the court, but having power should not be an automatic 'get out of jail free' card.

From a business POV think of all the positive publicity twitter would get if trump stepped over the line and they treated him like anyone else who had done the same thing.
 

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Are you saying you don't care if it makes Trump stronger? I would rather live with knowing the world isn't fair than hand Trump something that fires up his base. I bet some people at twitter feel the same.
His 30% are already lost, they will support him no matter what. I would concentrate on shoring up the 70% and chipping away at the edges of his supporters.
 

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Maaaaaybe. Trump uses antisemitic dog whistles all the time and emboldens nazis generally, that's absolutely true. But I've read that this guy had YouTube videos (now removed obviously) where he railed against Trump, claiming the president was "controlled by Jews".

I haven't seen the videos myself though, so it could be wrong.
From what I read he was hard right and his annoyance with donnie was not being even more overtly a nazi. I would lay heavy odds he voted for trump in 2016.
 

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Many of the stick headed "stick it to he man!" folks I'm talking about actually are swing voters. Sanders was actually very popular in that crowd, though most hated Clinton. That's why appealing to this block of silly people can be useful for winning elections.
There's no move that will consistently appease combustible people like that. Literally anything might set them off one way or another, or change them back again. It's a waste of physical and intellectual effort to try and appeal to them. Just do what's right instead.
 

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His 30% are already lost, they will support him no matter what. I would concentrate on shoring up the 70% and chipping away at the edges of his supporters.
of course. I wrongly used the phrase "his base." I meant to appeal to many of the libertarian minded people who often change their minds on which party is "the lesser of two evils."

There's no move that will consistently appease combustible people like that. Literally anything might set them off one way or another, or change them back again. It's a waste of physical and intellectual effort to try and appeal to them. Just do what's right instead.
I half agree with you. We don't know what could happen if Trump is banned from his favorite medium. I have no idea what would happen long term, but feel moderately confident it would help him short term, so I hope they don't do it just before midterms.
 

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Many of the stick headed "stick it to he man!" folks I'm talking about actually are swing voters. Sanders was actually very popular in that crowd, though most hated Clinton. That's why appealing to this block of silly people can be useful for winning elections.
Yeah, I'm sure keeping Trump on Twitter will be the thing that gets the Sanders-contingent of swing voters on our side.
Nice straw man there.
Dude, you don't get to call straw man when you yourself brought up the exact type of man I'm mocking!
 
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If Twitter didn't exist then Donald wouldn't be President. This is just a fact.

Limiting the avenues for hate speech actually works, it forces the bigots to find their own private spaces to be bigots in. As a result other bigots are less likely to see those actions being performed publicly so they'll know they are socially unacceptable. This is literally why the events of the past week happened, bigots saw bigoted speech being performed publicly by people in power with no repercussions and decided that they should act because that's ok to do now.