SCOTUS set to overturn Roe and Casey

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The terms in which the debate about abortion is conducted in the US never ceases to amaze me -- Rep Johnson is spouting absolute fantasy here.

In the UK, abortion is available pretty much on demand, provided for free by the NHS, up to 26 weeks. After 26 weeks it's still available, but only in very restricted circumstances (if the mother's life would be at risk or if the child would otherwise be born very severely disabled).

The proportion of abortions that are performed at under 10 weeks has continued to increase since 2010. In 2020, 88% of abortions were performed under 10 weeks, increasing from 82% in 2019 and 77% in 2010. In comparison, abortions performed at 10-12 weeks decreased from 9% in 2019 to 6% in 2020. The percentage performed at 20 weeks and over decreased from 2% in 2019 to 1% in 2020.

The legal limit for a woman having an abortion is 24 weeks gestation. This is the point at which the fetus is viable outside the mother's body. Abortions may be performed after 24 weeks in certain circumstances, for example, if the mother's life is at risk or the child would be born severely disabled. Abortions where gestation is 24 weeks or over account for a very small number of abortions (0.1% of the total). There were 236 such abortions in 2020.

That is, where legal and affordable abortion is freely and readily available, the vast majority of abortions are conducted within 6 weeks of the mother's first missed period.

"Late term abortion," which so exercises US anti-choice campaigners, is extremely rare and takes place only in cases of medical necessity when, tragically, the mother didn't otherwise want an abortion (if she did, she'd have had it far earlier). I don't have the figures to hand, but they're all of them carried out within a week or so of the 24 weeks limit.
 

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This specific case was in Texas, where the pharmacy (and pharmacist) risked getting sued

Texas is one of the states that has the "Pharmacists can refuse to provide medication but must refer patients elsewhere" clause. So, the question is, did Texas' new abortion law compensate/change that or not since the pharmacist can be also sued for not referring the prescription/patient to another pharmacist.

Or did I miss something?
 

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Texas is one of the states that has the "Pharmacists can refuse to provide medication but must refer patients elsewhere" clause. So, the question is, did Texas' new abortion law compensate/change that or not since the pharmacist can be also sued for not referring the prescription/patient to another pharmacist.

Or did I miss something?
Texas also has that new law whereby bounty-hunters can sue everyone involved, including both the pharmacy and the pharmacist, and make them prove to the civil standard that they were satisfied the medicines weren't intended to induce an abortion, so I can see why both the businesses and individual pharmacists might not want to take the risk of finding themselves in court.
 

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Texas also has that new law whereby bounty-hunters can sue everyone involved, including both the pharmacy and the pharmacist, and make them prove to the civil standard that they were satisfied the medicines weren't intended to induce an abortion, so I can see why both the businesses and individual pharmacists might not want to take the risk of finding themselves in court.
No one said Texas laws actually work together much less make sense.

ETA: Austin stopped being "liberal" in the 80s.
 

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Texas also has that new law whereby bounty-hunters can sue everyone involved, including both the pharmacy and the pharmacist, and make them prove to the civil standard that they were satisfied the medicines weren't intended to induce an abortion, so I can see why both the businesses and individual pharmacists might not want to take the risk of finding themselves in court.
I'm really hoping (but not extremely optimistic) that some federal court can be persuaded to strike down all of this lawsuit crap. It's one thing to press criminal charges against people who get or provide abortions, but quite another to turn citizens against one another in this way... I'm not a lawyer, but what little I know about tort law seems to not fit with letting person A sue lady B for her abortion that didn't affect A.
 

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I'm really hoping (but not extremely optimistic) that some federal court can be persuaded to strike down all of this lawsuit crap. It's one thing to press criminal charges against people who get or provide abortions, but quite another to turn citizens against one another in this way... I'm not a lawyer, but what little I know about tort law seems to not fit with letting person A sue lady B for her abortion that didn't affect A.
I thought the SCOTUS made a ruling already, but maybe they just ignored it because they were going to overthrow women's rights over their own bodies anyway.
 

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I thought the SCOTUS made a ruling already, but maybe they just ignored it because they were going to overthrow women's rights over their own bodies anyway.
According to the Washington Post, the Supreme Court and other federal courts dodged ruling on the Texas law by ruling that the persons/agencies being sued were not the right defendants. This is the strength of the Texas law: until someone sues someone else for helping or performing an abortion, there's no one to sue. It creates a serious threat to all who assist in aborting a pregnancy, so serious that those in Texas who perform abortions have quit (temporarily, I hope) until they see which way the courts rule on an actual test of the law. Since federal courts have ruled that there have been no qualified defendants in the cases challenging the law, there's no certainty for anyone who assists people in controlling what happens in their own bodies.
 

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Seems to me those 'Replacement Theory' fuckheads think that only white women rely on abortion.

The census in 10-20 years may come as a very unpleasant surprise to them. "But but but... overturning Roe v. Wade was supposed to help make more white babies! What happened?!"
 

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Seems to me those 'Replacement Theory' fuckheads think that only white women rely on abortion.

The census in 10-20 years may come as a very unpleasant surprise to them. "But but but... overturning Roe v. Wade was supposed to help make more white babies! What happened?!"
I guess they are hoping to kill off the women who aren't white - maybe make them get surgeries that leave them sterile - else they plan on removing their free status and return them to slavery >.< [I so past rage anymore, but I'm dealing with sarcasm - it just might be so bitter that it doesn't come off right].

Meanwhile, obviously Georgia doesn't have voter suppression issues because of record voter turn out and the actual day for their primaries is Tuesday [ According the WP]
 
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It's like they're deliberately trying to make the homeless and poverty situations worse.
 

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It's like they're deliberately trying to make the homeless and poverty situations worse.
It's like they're deliberately trying to revoke voting rights from the poor via felony homelessness and into for profit legalized slave camps.