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So let’s recap the pattern, because it’s a pattern:

Serbia: massive Kushner project → forged document → officials indicted → protests → project dead.

Albania: massive Kushner project → allegedly forged documents → seller wanted for coke trafficking → protests → money frozen → project on life support.

At some point you have to ask: is Jared the unluckiest real estate developer in the Balkans, or is “buy politically-gifted land in fragile democracies from questionable people at lightning speed” just a business model with a very predictable failure state?
 

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The Trump-associated money ball will all be spent within two generations. Hopefully through settling lawsuits.
Two generations is a very optimistic estimate.
 

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I found this interesting and pretty scary. The very economics of our country are calculating to ensure hatred and distrust amongst us.


The institutional elite discovered that rage scales infinitely better than unity. A divided populace creates highly predictable voting blocks and captive consumer markets. This calculated division ensures that the industry of outrage remains fully funded and sustained. Every political campaign relies on the explicit premise that the opposition intends to dismantle civilization — either forcing you into communism or fascism, neither of which, if we are being honest, sounds particularly appealing.

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The country is locked into a cycle where distrust breeds contempt, contempt destroys relationships, and destroyed relationships ensure that the next generation doubles down on the disdain. The country is settling into a permanent, highly profitable state of mutual loathing. For much of its history, the United States has been united more in name than in reality. Now, it’s a nation divided not only by borders, but by an unbridgeable psychological gulf.
 

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Keep in mind that Jared Kushner is the son of Charles Kushner, who was convicted for tax evasion, illegal campaign contributions and witness tampering (among other things). One particular heinous thing he did was the attempted hiring of a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law so he could blackmail him. Very Epsteinian.

These are two families of crooks and swindlers, it's no wonder they merged and their offspring continues to be involved in these shady business deals.
 
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Keep in mind that Jared Kushner is the son of Charles Kuschner, who was convicted for tax evasion, illegal campaign contributions and witness tampering (among other things). One particular heinous thing he did was the attempted hiring of a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law so he could blackmail him. Very Epsteinian.

These are two families of crooks and swindlers, it's no wonder they merged and their offspring continues to be involved in these shady business deals.
Its an interesting article but suddenly the last two or three paragraphs are super super AI coded.
 

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Its an interesting article but suddenly the last two or three paragraphs are super super AI coded.
I'm not AI, and don't call me Shirley.
 
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Andrew Tate and brother Tristan reported to counter-terror police over ‘Russian propaganda’ video

I'm not sure it will be possible to prosecute them for this without the agreement of the US (assuming they're extradited on the existing rape, sex trafficking and child pornography charges), since there are rules preventing new charges being added after someone's been extradited.
Doesn't that mean the Trump administration could use this as an excuse to block the extradition of the Tate brothers?
 

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Doesn't that mean the Trump administration could use this as an excuse to block the extradition of the Tate brothers?
No. All that's happened so far is that the matter has been reported to the police. It doesn't affect the extradition request at all. Nor would it prevent the British police from investigating the complaint and interviewing the Tates after their extradition to the UK (assuming the US extradite them, of course). However the UK authorities would, should they decide to prosecute after the investigation, need to seek agreement from the US before that prosecution could proceed.

However, it doesn't affect the application currently before the US courts, and even if the matter does eventually lead to a prosecution (which I doubt it would, in fact. since I don't think they actually broke any UK laws by posting the video, but that's obviously up to the Crown Prosecution Service), it would be the least of the legal worries.

If they're eventually convicted of all, or even most, of the crimes for which the UK wants to extradite them, they're going to prison for a very long time indeed.
 

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No. All that's happened so far is that the matter has been reported to the police. It doesn't affect the extradition request at all. Nor would it prevent the British police from investigating the complaint and interviewing the Tates after their extradition to the UK (assuming the US extradite them, of course). However the UK authorities would, should they decide to prosecute after the investigation, need to seek agreement from the US before that prosecution could proceed.

However, it doesn't affect the application currently before the US courts, and even if the matter does eventually lead to a prosecution (which I doubt it would, in fact. since I don't think they actually broke any UK laws by posting the video, but that's obviously up to the Crown Prosecution Service), it would be the least of the legal worries.

If they're eventually convicted of all, or even most, of the crimes for which the UK wants to extradite them, they're going to prison for a very long time indeed.
Blocking the extradition would be very simple. The extradition request shouldn't trouble the courts for long since in this case there's nothing complex or unusual to decide, so it's no more than a matter of checking the paperwork. The UK's current extradition treaty with the US is 20 years old, so both sides understand each other's requirements. Extradition from ECHR countries, such as the UK, to the US is more complicated than from the US to the UK because the US legal and penal systems have all sorts of human rights issues, as we saw with the Assange case, and we sometimes also refuse on health or dual criminality grounds (i.e. the conduct alleged on the indictment doesn't amount to a criminal offence in the UK).

There's no question about whether the treaty covers the alleged offences or whether the Tate brothers currently in custody are the same men named in the indictment. The Crown Prosecution Service's test (is the evidence sufficient for a reasonable jury, properly instructed about the law in the case, to convict, if they accept the prosecution case?) meets the US test of probable cause, and there's no external exculpatory evidence available (the brothers were not, for example, in custody at the time of the alleged offences).

The credibility of the prosecution case is a matter for the English court and jury, not the US court, as is the Tate brother's defence.

However, once the court approves the request, it must then also be approved by the Secretary of State, currently Marco Rubio. His decision is final. So if Trump wants to block it, he simply has to make his wish known to Rubio, who (at least on present form) will presumably meekly agree. End of story.

However, the current extradition treaty was signed in 2003. Since then, the US Secretary of State has approved 87 British requests and refused only one, that in the case of Anne Sacoolas, whom the UK wanted to try for causing the death of Harry Dunn by dangerous driving, and, at least at present, the White House and Rubio have both indicated they don't intend to intervene on behalf of the Tates.


That can change, of course, but I suspect that Trump and his advisors are reasoning that the Tates' supporters will soon forgive him for handing them over to the British criminal justice system (he probably believes, with reason, he could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot both brothers without losing any of his hardline MAGA fanatics) and that the last thing he needs right now is to stir up a domestic and international controversy about protecting yet more alleged prolific rapists, sex traffickers and creators of CSAM who aren't even connected to Jeffrey Epstein.
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I think you missed the point, which was that according to your own previous statements, Rubio can now simply say that "England wants to prosecute the Tate brothers for sitting on a tank" and block the extradition .
 
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I think you missed the point, which was that according to your own previous statements, Rubio can now simply say that "England wants to prosecute the Tate brothers for sitting on a tank" and block the extradition .
He could say that, just as he could say "England might decided to prosecute them for any number of unknown offences that aren't part of the extradition request." He could also, if he wanted, say that he was blocking the request because the UK won't support his boss's desire to annex Greenland. However, since he can also simply refuse the extradition request without giving any reason at all, it would be completely unnecessary.

To my mind this complaint to the police -- for at the moment it's no more than that, and quite probably won't ever be -- doesn't affect things one way or another. If they're extradited, an English court can hear only the cases listed in the extradition request. Should the CPS try to add extra charges, the defence will complain to the judge about abuse of process, the judge will ask the CPS if the US have agreed to the charges that didn't appear in the original request, and if the CPS can't confirm the US have agreed, the case won't be heard. That's part of the US-UK extradition agreement, and it's a standard protection under extradition law generally.

Yes, Rubio can refuse the request for any reason or none, but he's already said he won't interfere. He's at liberty to change his mind, of course, but I don't see this development makes that any more likely.