More Creepy Stuff Comes Out About Kavanaugh

[Dakota Tebaldi]

Welp.

 

[Beebo Brink]

GOP woman on Kavanaugh allegations: 'What boy hasn’t done this in high school?'

So this is why they don't object to Bill Clinton's affair, right? Cause, what guy hasn't done this?

 

[Beebo Brink]

Women who support the GOP against their own interests make me both angry and sad.

But you know, it's NOT against their own interests. Privileged White Women are deeply invested in keeping the prerogatives of the Privileged White Men to which they're related. Leveling the playing field and applying equal justice to all would probably bring them down a step or two. So they're weighing these conflicting sources of power -- from without or from within -- and deliberately choosing "I'm with him" over "I'm on my own."

 

[Zaida Gearbox]

I have complex and semi-conflicting feelings about the accusations against Brett Kavanaugh.

A professor named Dr. Ford has come forward and said he sexually assaulted her when they were teenagers. As far as I’m concerned she has no reason to life. According to National Center for Victims of Crime 1 in 5 girls will be victims of sexual abuse. This seems to only consider sexual abuse by adults. It doesn’t take into consideration kids sexually abusing each other.

I do not know one single female who at the very least didn’t have her bra snapped in school. Most at some point had her butt and or boobs grabbed, were groped, or worse by one of our peers. Most of those boys actually grew up to be decent men who cringe at the thought that they did those things now – especially if they grew up to have daughters.

Plus, for us – Gen X’ers that kind of behavior was not just tolerated as “boys will be boys,” it was encouraged and even glorified in tv shows and movies. Movies like Porkies, Risky Business, Revenge of the Nerds, Fast Time at Ridgemont High while all rated R were all also clearly aimed at teenage boys, and we all managed to see those movies in spite of their rating. All of those movies glorify objectification of women and encourage boys doing things like copping feels to get a cheap thrill. I’m a profoundly heterosexual female, but that Moving In Stereo scene in Fast Time at Ridgemont High even made an impression on me. Even in the film Sixteen Candles – a chick flick by any body’s standards – Anthony Michael Hall’s character tries not once but twice to get on top of Molly Ringwald’s character against her will, and don’t get me started on the behavior of Long Duck Dong.

In the movie Pretty In Pink, the character Steff played by a young James Spader is a sleaze ball extra-ordinare, and Andrew McCarthy’s character is a gentleman.
Pretty In Pink is a movie aimed at girls. If Pretty In Pink had been aimed at boys James Spaders’ character would have been the hero of the movie, and Andrew McCarthy’s character would have been a sissy and possibly gay. James Spader would have bagged Molly Ringwald and bragged to all his buddies about it.
Thank goodness it was aimed at girls. But, even the character of Ducky Dale – a good guy who is supposedly in love with Molly Ringwald’s character – offers to impregnate two other female students, and grabs and kisses Annie Potts’ character.

Even more recently in the t.v. show That 70’s Show the teenagers on the show are all portrayed as sex obsessed. The characters of Michael Kelso and Fezz both stand out in my mind as particularly detestable. Kelso on more than one occasion cops a cheap feel off of Donna. Fezz hides in her closet, so he can peek at her while she changes, and this is portrayed as normal acceptable teenage boy behavior.

BUT, Brett Kavanaugh was not a young teen when this assault happened. He was 17. He was within 12 months of being a legal adult, and if you read the description of the assault – it was an assault. It was pretty horrifying. He put his arm across her throat. She was afraid that she was going to die. Seventeen year olds are routinely tried as adults – if they’re not rich white kids. When I worked for the DOC I had several inmates over the years who were tried and convicted as adults while still juveniles. One, in particular, stands out in my mind because he received a life sentence when he was only sixteen years old. But, he wasn’t a rich white kid. He was a poor black kid.

People say why didn’t she say something before now? Well, it turns out she did. She told both her husband and her therapist. Her therapist’s case notes support this fact, and please note – she sought out therapy to help her with the on going trauma years after the fact.

I was sexually assaulted as a young adult. I won’t go in to details. It’s none of your business. The man who hurt me never faced charges for what he did. I’ve spent years on and off in therapy because of what he did to me. Evidence of the assault is still visible during a gynecological exam. I have no idea what became of him. Most of the time, I don’t care. But, if he somehow got nominated to the Supreme Court, you bet your sweet ass I’d go off like a fire alarm.

So, yes, people do wrong things when they’re young, and still turn out to be decent human beings. But, sometimes mistakes we make when we’re young carry life long consequences – like the young man sentenced to life at only sixteen. IMHO Brett Kavanagh should have gone to prison for what he did to Dr. Ford, but he was a rich white kid and he didn’t. Up until now, he has suffered no consequence for what he did back then. Denying him the Supreme Court does not constitute ruining his life or even his career. It just says – the wrong we do can come back and haunt us many years later, and let it serve as a cautionary tale to young men who feel entitled to grope young women.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

So this is why they don't object to Bill Clinton's affair, right? Cause, what guy hasn't done this?

Aren't situational ethics neat?

We can't let this ruin that boy's future.
The girl will just have to carry to term tho.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

It's not even Monday yet...

 

[Lianne Marten]

There's never just one.

 

[Ellie]

This thread needs a 'gross' reaction button.

Particularly for those GOP women.

Try "Dead" + "Pie" ?

 

[Cindy Claveau]

My sister-in-law had no idea who kavanaugh even was until I mentioned the articles in this thread. Lucky. Although I still do not know how some people avoid knowing what is in the news that much.

I'm just as amazed as you. Talking with my sister's son-in-law, who is actually very smart (a college prof) though somewhat conservative. He asked what I thought about Trump. (The rest of the room moved away! ) Never one to soft pedal my extreme distaste for the Cheeto douchebag, I unloaded. He was stunned, and when he offered a few cautions I started throwing out numbers of indictments, the porn star thing (which he'd never heard of) and his neck-deep mystery debts to Russian mobsters, he shut up, like "Wow!" he hadn't known any of that.

And people like this have the right to vote. SMH.

 

[Kara Spengler]

GOP woman on Kavanaugh allegations: 'What boy hasn’t done this in high school?'

I assume you know by now but it came out that those women were GOP operatives. CNN sure knows how to pick an unbiased panel.

 

[Kara Spengler]

And people like this have the right to vote. SMH.

Yes, I am just as infuriated. Obviously we can not go back to the days of a test or a tax to vote, but it still does not seem fair that someone just randomly pressing buttons (or going on who is the loudest person in the room) has the same voice as someone who researches the subject fully.

For example, I have a friend who does not have the right to vote. Even so, they research all local candidates fully and can tell you the pros and cons of everyone on the ballot plus what their voting record is like. While I know national issues in depth I am a bit shaky on most local stuff. Why should I get more of a voice than them on who will represent us in the city?

 

[Lianne Marten]

Everyone who is a citizen should have the right to vote. It should never be taken away under any circumstances. Everyone deserves representation.

 

[Cristiano]

Women Walk Out Across The Country In Support Of Kavanaugh's Accusers | HuffPost

 

[Kara Spengler]

Everyone who is a citizen should have the right to vote. It should never be taken away under any circumstances. Everyone deserves representation.

It is not really a case of taking away the right to vote. Or even establishing a barrier to the franchise. It is a metaquestion of how you fairly deal with the fact that some people are more invested in the process than others.

 

[Cindy Claveau]

Everyone who is a citizen should have the right to vote. It should never be taken away under any circumstances. Everyone deserves representation.

I completely agree with this - in theory. The one major weakness of a democratic republic is that even total idiots have the same right to vote as those of us who try to stay up on events. The alternative is to impose voting tests, and I for one shudder at the idea of our half-wit cousins, the Republicans, being in charge of another method of vote suppression.

Instead, it is more incumbent than ever for citizens to educate ourselves, to be involved in our community processes, even to run for local offices. It doesn't require a college-level study course to watch something other than Fox News and to try to look at the world in an impartial manner. Otherwise, I'm afraid our democratic experiment is doomed to fail.

 

[Zaida Gearbox]

Aren't situational ethics neat?

We can't let this ruin that boy's future.
The girl will just have to carry to term tho.

The problem is that both sides are guilty of situational ethics. Bill Clinton should have resigned or been removed from office, and I'm not just talking about Monica Lewinsky I'm talking about Jennifer Flowers, Juanita Broadrrick, Paula Jones, etc. But, he didn't/wasn't, so the juvenile right can point to that and say, "But, But....Clinton."

Chappaquidick - need I say more? Ted Kennedy MURDERED that girl. If he had gone for help immediately - she would have lived. She apparently lived 3-4 hours after the accident. Yet, Democrats in Massachusetts continued returning him to Congress every election until he died. So, murder's okay if you're a democrat? He didn't get to be President - maybe because Democrats outside of Massachusetts have a stronger sense of right and wrong? And let's not pretend that Chappaquidick was Kennedy's only scandal. He's another one who couldn't keep it in his fucking pants.

I just wish people on either side would be more fucking consistent.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Irony.

 

[Lianne Marten]

Bill Clinton hasn't held public office for 18 years.

Ted Kennedy is dead.

Brett Kavanaugh is a current nominee for a position on the Supreme Court of the United States.

Donald Trump is current President of the United States

 

[Cristiano]

It has been revealed that Kavanaugh's yearbook had a bunch of references to Renate Alumnis, which was apparently code for those who had sex with a girl named Renate. She was one of the women who signed a letter in support of Kavanaugh. She had no idea about the yearbook.

New York Times: Woman who signed letter supporting Kavanaugh calls yearbook revelation 'hurtful'

 

[Free]

The problem is that both sides are guilty of situational ethics.

Simple question: Should Kavanaugh be made a Supreme Court justice because Bill Clinton was elected and allowed to remain president, and Ted Kennedy was incompetent when it came to emergency situations?

Yes, or no?