#JAILTOTHECHIEF- Shit Just Got Real

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Don't know about the bit about democracy outmanouvering, but the devolvement of the political system has been a common theme in some threads of SciFi.

 

[Kara Spengler]

B5!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Heinlein comes to mind, actually; including a few where the evangelicals take control of the US and there is a second american revolution.

 

[Romana]

Heinlein comes to mind, actually; including a few where the evangelicals take control of the US and there is a second american revolution.

"If This Goes On..."
One of my favorites. To be found in The Past Through Tomorrow, if anyone hasn't read it and is curious.
It would be nice to think that Rump would end up the same as that story's Prophet Incarnate.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

"If This Goes On..."
One of my favorites. To be found in The Past Through Tomorrow, if anyone hasn't read it and is curious.
It would be nice to think that Rump would end up the same as that story's Prophet Incarnate.

Also, Stranger in a Strange Land were they were dealing with a similar evangelical cult.

 

[Kara Spengler]

Heinlein comes to mind, actually; including a few where the evangelicals take control of the US and there is a second american revolution.

One of the top 3 authors I will read anything by, even if everyone says a particular book is bad.

 

[Kara Spengler]

Also, Stranger in a Strange Land were they were dealing with a similar evangelical cult.

That one is just plain hilarious. I once had to write a paper on a religion so I picked the church of all worlds ... simply because I wanted to be able to cite stranger in a bibliography.

 

[Romana]

If I was a Christian I'd find this very offensive. Hell, I find it very offensive as a non-Christian:


ETA: An article about that point of view:

Conservative evangelicals aren’t hypocrites — it’s worse than that

I understand why it’s hard for normal people to believe that white evangelical Christians are sadists. Normal people have never been, as I was a long time ago, on the inside of that shadowy religious world.

www.alternet.org

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

If I was a Christian I'd find this very offensive. Hell, I find it very offensive as a non-Christian:


ETA: An article about that point of view:

Conservative evangelicals aren’t hypocrites — it’s worse than that

I understand why it’s hard for normal people to believe that white evangelical Christians are sadists. Normal people have never been, as I was a long time ago, on the inside of that shadowy religious world.

www.alternet.org

So, here's the thing a lot of people forget; Christianity is a dual faith. Satan is the other half. And its especially important to remember that right now, even if they don't want to even accept it , even the ones who are good people who try and follow their good deity's teachings and not their evil one's teachings.

 

[Fionalein]

So, here's the thing a lot of people forget; Christianity is a dual faith. Satan is the other half. And its especially important to remember that right now, even if they don't want to even accept it , even the ones who are good people who try and follow their good deity's teachings and not their evil one's teachings.

Actually dualism is a heresy according to Catholic doctrine - the devil holds no more power than God granted him. ... Which makes trinity even more ridiculous .... how could the devil try to tempt Jesus who is God in the desert, when he is actualy his sole source of power in the first time?

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Actually dualism is a heresy according to Catholic doctrine - the devil holds no more power than God granted him. ... Which makes trinity even more ridiculous .... how could the devil try to tempt Jesus who is God in the desert, when he is actualy his sole source of power in the first time?

I'm not talking about the doctrine or dogma; I'm talking about the actual facts. It is a religion with a dichotomy; it has a bad guy, and the bad guy is often worshiped by people who think they're worshipping the good guy.
When inspirational quote calenders quote Satan trying to tempt Jesus into worshiping him, as a quote of giving God everything and he'll give you wealth?

 

[Brenda Archer]

I'm not talking about the doctrine or dogma; I'm talking about the actual facts. It is a religion with a dichotomy; it has a bad guy, and the bad guy is often worshiped by people who think they're worshipping the good guy.
When inspirational quote calenders quote Satan trying to tempt Jesus into worshiping him, as a quote of giving God everything and he'll give you wealth?

Word!

Lay people don’t understand the Nicene Trinity (can anyone?) so what fundies believe in practice is usually some type of dualist heresy.

This also means that in practice, the fundies fail at monotheism. I think this explains some of their hangups and projections.

They’re particularly big on calling anyone who disagrees with them “selfish” and “arrogant” because “everyone is a sinner” but in that case, who really rules this world?

It’s primed to be corrosive to ethics.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

If I was a Christian I'd find this very offensive. Hell, I find it very offensive as a non-Christian:


ETA: An article about that point of view:

Conservative evangelicals aren’t hypocrites — it’s worse than that

I understand why it’s hard for normal people to believe that white evangelical Christians are sadists. Normal people have never been, as I was a long time ago, on the inside of that shadowy religious world.

www.alternet.org

This is absolutely despicable. The Jesus I worship would never stand for Trump's shenanigans.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

This is absolutely despicable. The Jesus I worship would never stand for Trump's shenanigans.

Also, Jesus in the bible was a mild mannered communist. The dumbest Trump supporters think he's a good Christian. Those people are baffling. The conservatives I know who I respect see him as a useful idiot but also a bit embarrassing sometimes. I am glad I don't know anyone in RL who thinks Trump is like Jesus...

 

[Fionalein]

Also, Jesus in the bible was a mild mannered communist. The dumbest Trump supporters think he's a good Christian. Those people are baffling. The conservatives I know who I respect see him as a useful idiot but also a bit embarrassing sometimes. I am glad I don't know anyone in RL who thinks Trump is like Jesus...

I doubt those media trolls really think so - I bet someone somewhere in a basement mentally gets off on the thought of us being offended by that post.

 

[Clara D.]

One more thing they will try to blame Hillary for.

You joke but ....

There's a weird "Clinton Mafia" conspiracy thing . . .

 

[Romana]

There's a weird "Clinton Mafia" conspiracy thing . . .

And Fox reports it as if it's fact.
I movie for sure they report that "Deep State" shit. I recently visited some conservative neighbors and they had Fox on. When I saw "Deep State" on the screen I had a hard time keeping a straight face.

 

[Clara D.]

It's far easier for me to believe in problems relating to the Russian Mafia (which actually exists).

 

[danielravennest]

"If This Goes On..."
One of my favorites. To be found in The Past Through Tomorrow, if anyone hasn't read it and is curious.
It would be nice to think that Rump would end up the same as that story's Prophet Incarnate.

Heinlein was born in Missouri, in 1907. Religion was much stronger when he was growing up than today. So it totally made sense from his viewpoint to predict a religious takeover. But predicting the future is hard, especially before it happens. He failed to predict modern electronics, and he failed to predict that religion would die out. Even among Evangelicals, their children are less religious than their parents. The problem is it takes a couple of generations for it to die out, and it happens more slowly in monocultural areas.

 

[danielravennest]

I'm not talking about the doctrine or dogma; I'm talking about the actual facts. It is a religion with a dichotomy; it has a bad guy, and the bad guy is often worshiped by people who think they're worshipping the good guy.

I think the Old Testament god is the bad guy. It's like an absent parent who gets upset when the kids do something against their rules. Adam and Eve had no parents. So they were like children, whatever physical age they were created. If he could assign an angel to guard the Garden *after* he kicked them out, why couldn't he have had one to watch over and teach them beforehand, and keep an eye out for the Serpent? If he wanted to keep them away from the Trees of Life and Knowledge, he could have, like, put up a wall or something. But noo, blame the kids for his mistakes.