Gachas to be banned in Second Life

[Adeon Writer]

This is somewhat true. I can't blame people who just weren't paying much attention. But if you can't make as much money selling your goods the honest way, then that frankly validates the belief that gacha's are predatory.

 

[WolfEyes]

Nah that's just Amazon's way of promoting Facebook's Horizon

Wahey! LL be trippin y'all. They're merging every thread that gets created in GD about the outage with one in tech support and it's not even an LL issue, it's an AWS issue. What a mess that thread is now.

lmao

They've screwed the pooch, again.

 

[Fionalein]

Why the f* did they even lie about what caused the login malfunction? Those morons pretended to be working on solving the problem while all they most likely did was hanging in the Amazon support hotline asking "Is it up again?" like little kids... If they feel the need to lie even here... when did they ever tell the truth?

 

[Noodles]

Why the f* did they even lie about what caused the login malfunction? Those morons pretended to be working on solving the problem while all they most likely did was hanging in the Amazon support hotline asking "Is it up again?" like little kids... If they feel the need to lie even here... when did they ever tell the truth?

No kidding. It would have been super easy to push it off on Amazon. Of course then people would probably be all, "This is why they should have stayed with their own servers"

 

[Sid]

They just ran their standard protocol messages they always use:
1.Investigating.
2 we're working on it, we keep you posted (repeat this every hour or so)
3 Problem resolved.

Who knows, there might be something in their contract with Amazon that prohibits blaming them in public for outages.

 

[Fionalein]

Who knows, there might be something in their contract with Amazon that prohibits blaming them in public for outages.

One main reason to outsource is to be off the hook for responsibility... If they are not allowed to point to the reason their lawyers and decission makers suck - but we already suspected as much from the way they handled relabeled lootboxes, didn't we?

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

Who knows, there might be something in their contract with Amazon that prohibits blaming them in public for outages.

I'd not be surprised if that's in the contract, but I'd also not be surprised if it was just a political decision to stay on Amazon's good graces. I know that when I have a problem at work that is really the fault of another department, I will often carefully phrase my announcements in a way that makes it clear it's a 3rd party, but I don't just throw them under the bus for the sake of the relationship.

 

[Adeon Writer]

One main reason to outsource is to be off the hook for responsibility... If they are not allowed to point to the reason their lawyers and decission makers suck - but we already suspected as much from the way they handled relabeled lootboxes, didn't we?

You just made me realize something: They said you aren't allowed to call any Gacha-replacements "Gachas", but they never said calling them lootboxes was off the table...

 

[Noodles]

They were not even the only site affected by the AWS outrage. Amazon should have had to own that.

 

[Free]

They were not even the only site affected by the AWS outrage. Amazon should have had to own that.

Why not they own just about everything.

Oh, you mean a different "own." Gotcha.

 

[Fionalein]

They were not even the only site affected by the AWS outrage. Amazon should have had to own that.

Thats logical. But when was the last time habitual liars stopped their vice because of reasons?

 

[Noodles]

Why not they own just about everything.

Oh, you mean a different "own." Gotcha.

Gotchas are banned now.

 

[Caete]

The Next Up Vending System -by BellaTECH
How It Works

1. The Next Up Vending system will display a photo key that shows all items inside of the vending machine.
2. Above the vendor dynamic text will display what item number and name is currently available for purchase.
   Example “1. Item Name” is now available for purchase
3. When the shopper pays the vendor it will automatically “lock” to that person and they will receive the item that was advertised. The shopper will always know exactly what they are purchasing.
4. Once locked, the dynamic text will turn from green to red to indicate that it is currently in use and the current user is displayed.
   Example “Currently Locked to “Shopper’s Name”, “Item Name” is now available for purchase
5. The dynamic text will then update to the next possible purchase. The current shopper will have a 30 second window in which the vendor is still locked to them and only they are able to purchase that item. If another shopper attempts to pay the vendor while it is locked they will be refunded.
6. After the 30 second lock period if no further purchases are made the machine will unlock back to anyone. When unlocked the dynamic text will return to green and simply display the information on what is currently available for purchase. Example: “Item Name” is now available for purchase

The Next Up Vendor System -by BellaTECH - BellaTECH Nation

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

The Next Up Vending System -by BellaTECH
How It Works

1. The Next Up Vending system will display a photo key that shows all items inside of the vending machine.
2. Above the vendor dynamic text will display what item number and name is currently available for purchase.
   Example “1. Item Name” is now available for purchase
3. When the shopper pays the vendor it will automatically “lock” to that person and they will receive the item that was advertised. The shopper will always know exactly what they are purchasing.
4. Once locked, the dynamic text will turn from green to red to indicate that it is currently in use and the current user is displayed.
   Example “Currently Locked to “Shopper’s Name”, “Item Name” is now available for purchase
5. The dynamic text will then update to the next possible purchase. The current shopper will have a 30 second window in which the vendor is still locked to them and only they are able to purchase that item. If another shopper attempts to pay the vendor while it is locked they will be refunded.
6. After the 30 second lock period if no further purchases are made the machine will unlock back to anyone. When unlocked the dynamic text will return to green and simply display the information on what is currently available for purchase. Example: “Item Name” is now available for purchase

The Next Up Vendor System -by BellaTECH - BellaTECH Nation

Someone did a lot of work to avoid selling their product like a normal person... lol.

 

[Adeon Writer]

Fun new ways to pay more than you want to not get exactly what you want in a easy and painless way

 

[Fionalein]

Someone did a lot of work to avoid selling their product like a normal person... lol.

Nah, our friend Adeon Writer did all the homework for them.

 

[Caete]

Meanwhile, this is how Contraption is handling it.

Dear Contraptioneers,

I'm sure a lot of you have questions in regards to our beloved gacha collections. To begin, our removal will only be temporary while we dig into our archives to look for the original files responsible for the advertisement. They will be back up in a week or so, depending on how hard it is to find these old ads dating back to six or more years ago.

Now, we understand a lot of you may have questions in regards to these changes, and I'd like to answer it below:

► Why is LL removing gachas?
- To prepare for IRL laws, both international and within the state of California where Linden Labs operates.
The world of gaming is a young but rapidly changing landscape; morphing according to whatever game industry giants strive for next to gain the highest coin.

In short: greed makes fun things not fun anymore, and now we can't do a thing.

► Where are your gachas going to go?
- We will be packaging them up in packs per set.

► What is the pricing for fatpacks going to be like?
- Between 300-5000 lindens. We'll price them according to the following criteria: mesh quality, technical quality, & production value.

► Have you considered selling singles or according to rarity?
- We are aware of that option, but we are not planning to do that since we've been moving on from this era since 2019. Repackaging and splitting them up complicates the agreements we have with those who worked with us on these sets, and we'd like to remain fair and stick to our word on how profits are distributed. On the plus side, we have been doing single releases within the same strain.

► Why is the Dread Collection slated to cost L$5000?
- The dread collection is our best work: with a full decorative set seen in a workshop, a large and fancy workshop shed, four beautifully crafted original concept musical machines that are fully animated with moving pistons and interactivity, and two originally designed, animated clockwork statues of a woman playing the instruments that also have moving pistons and interactivity. All of which have the lowest possible land impact while still having LODs that do not break apart into triangles on zooming out.

It also has a unique blend of instruments we put a lot of effort in to make it sound like some strange, ethereal wheelharp with dulcimer - that's right, even the instrumentation is mixed into its own original thing. I can not express the amount of production work, love, and heart put into this set.

Every bit of these musical machines are original to its core; from the designed fictional mechanisms that play it to the very sounds that emits from the music. We worked a story around it with hints in the items; it is a passion project, and it would be criminal to price it any less. If you disagree - that's fine, but we're not keen on lowering our value for the sake of getting more people to buy things, especially if we consider it to be one of our more passionate works of art that still holds up well in recent years.

Please note that the Dread Collection is our most expensive pack for the reasons above. Other sets are guaranteed to be lower than this, in fact some may just be L$500.

► What will happen to your retired gacha sets from Arcade like?
- The following sets have been advertised as limited editions, and will stay that way:
Music Box Gacha
Mysterious Music Box Gacha
Orchestrion Gacha
Phonograph Gacha
Dulci'Matic Gacha
Radio Gacha
Musical Clock Gacha

These will not be re-released. They've been retired years ago and calls for changes to gacha is not going to change that.

► Now that Gachas are gone, will you still be doing Musical Machines?
- We will try to do musical machines as single releases, however, due to its niche nature we must face the reality that standard single prices people normally accept do not fly well with deserved returns for the work we put into these things. However, to make up for this, our plan is to do a music album for people to buy the music in the future. That will however, come as time progresses as we consider 10+ songs in an album to be a complete collection.

That is our current strategy to keep us putting the same effort as we did in our previous collections. With your support, we can continue it.

► Are you going to release the older tunes on an album?
- No, but we might revisit the themes in future single releases. Listening to those older tunes is like looking at your old art from a younger age; it's dated and a little embarrassing due to our use of cheaper, lower quality VSTs at the time. Keep your ears at the ready!

► Are you still doing gacha exchanges?
- Yes, but it's going to be a bit slow since I will have a lot of work ahead of me. Please be patient after you send in a folder with all your gachas you'd like to be exchanged to mod/copy titled 'EXCHANGE - [your legacy name]'.

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[Adeon Writer]

Nah, our friend Adeon Writer did all the homework for them.

I did not script these. No one in Second Life can afford a scripter that knows what their time is worth.
Alternatively, none of them know the correct strategies to get me to do anything for free by nerd sniping me.

But make no mistake: if I had been coaxed into doing it - either by money or curiosity - sure, I would have!
--While still laughing at how ridiculous, stupid, and manipulative all these concepts are.

I was out there saying how alternatives could work because I wanted people to know about them. I wanted Linden to know what was coming very early on, so they could edit their rules preemptively, if they wanted to to avoid these "violations of spirit". Linden decided they were ok with them. And so everyone got to find that out pretty early on that actually removing gachas from the grid wasn't actually something they cared about - they just didn't want them called gachas. And I wanted the gacha creators to know of alternatives too, so they could start their work early on and not miss a beat if Linden was ok with them being on the grid.

I wanted all cards on the table for everyone to make their next moves as wisely and as quickly as possible.

I see myself as lawful neutral here.

 

[Fionalein]

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I see, so you're just salty they took your idea and implemented it on their own? WICKED!

 

[Adeon Writer]

I see, so you're just salty they took your idea and implemented it on their own? WICKED!

Haha, no. I must be really bad at text if I came across as salty. It was never my idea. What came out of all this was inevitable to anyone who’s been following lootboxes. If I’d take credit for anything it was just speeding things up in time for the ban date. Even then, I think I’d be taking too much credit. This was underway before I even said anything about it.

I don’t have a stake in this whole thing. I just didn’t want some loophole device to come out by surprise after the ban date only for Linden to suddenly say “Wait what? No, that’s not allowed either!” And then cue even more drama.

Now everything’s on the table, gachas are banned; and we can laugh at the new stupid scripts and their attempts to squeeze money out of people and everything can go back to normal.