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Back in the days when they were building XP, I heard there was actually a sort of dorm at Microsoft where the programmers could sleep. It even had beverage taps, including beer. (Which, come to think of it, may explain some things about XP ....) I don't know if it is still there or not. In those days, if you weren't putting in 18 hour days, you were considered a slacker.
 

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When you're young and stupid (ok, when I was young and stupid), it seemed exciting to put in long days to meet a pressing deadline. I remember those late nights of sleeping on an office couch (if you were lucky) or the floor with both fondness and a mental slap upside of the head. Those long sleep-deprived years may not be why I came down with lymphatic cancer at the age of 30... but they can't have helped.
 

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I only slept at work once because I got stuck there in a Blizzard. We didn't have anywhere comfortable to sleep though so it was just the floor I think.

Edit: Also, when I say "stuck there" I mean literally, my van was stuck in the middle of the road a block away from the office and parked there until it thawed enough a day or so later.
 
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When you're young and stupid (ok, when I was young and stupid), it seemed exciting to put in long days to meet a pressing deadline. I remember those late nights of sleeping on an office couch (if you were lucky) or the floor with both fondness and a mental slap upside of the head. Those long sleep-deprived years may not be why I came down with lymphatic cancer at the age of 30... but they can't have helped.
Yes, I can remember plenty of those times. But they were the exception, not the rule. If my employer had expected that type of commitment on an ongoing basis, as a normal work day/week, I don't know that I would have done it. I might have lasted a week, or a month, but that would have been my limit.
 

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Yes, I can remember plenty of those times. But they were the exception, not the rule. If my employer had expected that type of commitment on an ongoing basis, as a normal work day/week, I don't know that I would have done it. I might have lasted a week, or a month, but that would have been my limit.
I should have mentioned that I was a free-lancer, so I jumped from one high-pressure project to another, but usually with at least a week or two break and some ramp up before we started the all-nighters. I worked in a niche media industry where I knew most of the fellow free-lancers that I worked with; it was usually just a new combination of people I had already worked with sometime or other. There was an esprit de corps that was seductive and I worked those grueling schedules for nearly 10 years until I left New York City.

At the time, I absolutely loved it. Looking back it was a horrible way to make a very good living. I had virtually no social life, could never make plans, and the product we made was completely ephemeral. All that work to furiously produce corporate assets that were used for only a few days.

That pattern is probably why I felt such an affinity for the development company I eventually joined. Code has a longer life cycle, but eventually it too is swept away. Every web site I worked on, no matter how fervently, was outdated in just a few years and is now long gone.
 

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That is the nature of the beast. Everything I've done earlier than five years ago, in a stable position for nearly three decades, has been swept aside and replaced. But yes it was the people as much as the work, like camping indoors, alternating between the code and whatever group role-playing game was on tap at the time.
 
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I was best friends with the person who started Teleport services which was the main isp in Portland in the very early '90s. It was a small operation. At one time, James asked me if I wanted to go halves and work 16 hour days for a long period of time. I declined, since I am just not the type to work those sorts of hours. He later sold the business for $45 million dollars. Sigh.
 

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Well... a difficult topic. Of course an employer can expect his employees not to drag important internal company stuff to the public, like trade secrets and other stuff. The question is here where to draw the line, as always. But leaking confidential stuff is in most cases a thing where the employer has the bigger lever.

Also: Musk being funny again, or so.

 

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Well... a difficult topic. Of course an employer can expect his employees not to drag important internal company stuff to the public, like trade secrets and other stuff. The question is here where to draw the line, as always. But leaking confidential stuff is in most cases a thing where the employer has the bigger lever.

Also: Musk being funny again, or so.

It shouldn't be difficult for Musk, though, who has declared himself to be "a free speech absolutist."

Of course free speech absolutism is untenable, as he rapidly discovered, and we're seeing, played out in public, what "free speech" actually does mean to him.

For example, he seems to have no problems with giving partisan journalists free access to internal staff memos and texts sent by former employees, who might at the time have had a reasonable expectation they'd remain private, and allowing them to publicise their contents on Twitter.
 

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I wouldn't hold my breath on that. He still hasn't given us the edit button he promised us. And with a substantial part of Twitter's engineering staff fired, I don't see them being able to make the coding and database changes necessary to accommodate 4000-character birdsongs.
 
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