Democratic Party Presidential Candidates for 2020

[Essence Lumin]

Why would I say that about Cristalle? She has a long history here, which does not include the behavior I am describing. Nor do I mean you, if that needed saying. I may not always agree with Cristalle, but I do believe that she is sincere, always. I believe her completely when she says she is exploring all options. She didn't arrive out of nowhere (or return out of nowhere) with the single-minded goal (to the exclusion of all else) of causing dissension and sowing chaos nor championing bothsideism.

I don't know, I guess because I couldn't think of anyone else you could be referring to.

 

[Spirits Rising]

While I haven't a clue whom Jolene meant I can say that it was bloody obvious it wasnt Cristalle - all it took there was to think at all and not jump to conclusions or simply ask who was meant.

Fuck sake ... does no one really think anymore or bother to read what is being said ...

(No question mark on purpose as that wasn't a real question)

 

[Anya Ristow]

If you mean me, Jolene, I've already said a number of times that I will vote for whoever the nominee is, so you can stop the veiled references.

If it was me, I've said there wasn't a candidate running I would refuse to vote for in the general. I think I even got Aeon to say so, too. And if I recall, Aeon lives in a safe, blue state, so arguing over where their vote is going is probably not necessary.

I've said I like Warren, have contributed to her campaign, own the t-shirt (I'm wearing it today), but I have also said that some Bernie supporters are really upset with her. I've identified media support as a reason I no longer consider her a top-tier choice, and why some Bernie supporters won't even consider her, but I'm not upset with her enough to even take her t-shirt out of rotation.

But I'm an other and we always need some of those, so fire away.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

I think I even got Aeon to say so, too. And if I recall, Aeon lives in a safe, blue state, so arguing over where their vote is going is probably not necessary.

Incorrect, see post #1844.

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No, it's not safe...

...I picked that road and I will pick it again whenever it comes my way.

 

[Han Held]

But I'm an other and we always need some of those, so fire away.

I, too, am Spartacus

A few quick points:

1)I'd be fine with voting for Warren; we could do a lot worse than her, no interest at all in Gabbard.
2)Is it possible that whoever intends to split the dems from the right (or from the center) this time around?
3)"Othering" and pig-piling on Aeon (and/or the rest of us non-centrists) is just as divisive as what he's being accused of.

Do you really think "they" care why we fight each other? They certainly don't. They only care that we fight each other.

I return you to your regularly scheduled pig-pile, already in progress....

 

[Jolene Benoir]

3)"Othering" and pig-piling on Aeon (and/or the rest of us non-centrists) is just as divisive as what he's being accused of.

Do you really think "they" care why we fight each other? They certainly don't. They only care that we fight each other.

I return you to your regularly scheduled pig-pile, already in progress....

Who is a centrist? What makes a centrist? AFAIK most, if not all, people here support very non-centrist policies. Sure, it's easy to claim that centrists are trying to shut down the oh-so enlightened leftists, but as far as I can see the majority of this board consists of leftists, including myself. Some of us differ on how to achieve goals, but I am certainly not willing to play nice with someone who came here only to sow dissension. Nice strawman, though.

Aeon is NOT arguing in good faith, at all, and am sure is delighting in any dissension caused, but you go on defending it because then you get to feel like you are part of some outcast group that is being put upon and quieted, which I suspect is the point.

 

[Essence Lumin]

Left, center, right the words seem so meaningless nowadays. Here is my graph.

Essence                                                          Left Center Right

 

[Soen Eber]

I can live with anything if the four freedoms (speech, want, fear, religion) are covered. We don't even have the majority of those. They might not cover everything I want, but they suffice for all I need. And if everyone has those, we get a world where everything else is possible.

Which is also why I will vote for whoever wins the democratic ticket. Maslow's hierarchy.

 

[Han Held]

but you go on defending it because then you get to feel like you are part of some outcast group that is being put upon and quieted, which I suspect is the point.

After all the loyalty tests this year and the crap I got for supporting sanders in 2016, you can just fuck right off with that.

Literally and for real, I cannot say this strongly enough: go to Hell.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

After all the loyalty tests this year and the crap I got for supporting sanders in 2016, you can just fuck right off with that.

Literally and for real, I cannot say this strongly enough: go to Hell.

What loyalty tests? By whom? As I recall, prior to the nomination a fairly large population of this board supported Sanders, myself included. He was rather popular among the users here. When he didn't receive the nomination the overwhelming majority here saw the threat that Trump posed and did what adults do, they recognized that their first choice did not get selected and did what they could to do their part in preventing it. Preventing exactly the situation that we have now in a Trump presidency. We all knew it would be bad, but he's far, far worse than most even thought he would be.

Some, like children, took their ball and went home or further, sainted the man and decided that no other candidate could possibly be worthy still arguing that he should be he nominee, he was cheated, blah blah, when that simply was not going to happen as he received fewer of the voting public's votes. Some decided that if their candidate couldn't be the nominee, well just fuck the whole system, "Who cares if Trump becomes president?" They didn't care about the fallout from a Trump presidency and they still do not, despite it being far worse than ever thought. No, they still stomp their feet and whine like children that if they can't have their way, well then nobody can and some desire to throw a wrench into the current candidate list because again, if they can't have their way, nobody can.

I don't particularly recall you doing that, nor do I recall all of this crap you supposedly got for supporting Sanders. I do recall that HRC supporters here, though not I, personally, had to take a break from the politics section as some die-hard remaining Sanders supporters were particularly nasty between nomination and election. If you were among that group, again I cannot remember, perhaps there was a reason you took some crap.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

I don't know, I guess because I couldn't think of anyone else you could be referring to.

I had Aeon pegged pretty early, but I can't for the life of me think who the other one is. Of course, I'm mentally exhausted and probably not thinking straight right now. It's been a long day.

 

[Cristiano]

 

[Essence Lumin]

I know Trump would have put his life on the line for our country. He couldn't help that he had bone spurs.

 

[Aeon Jiminy]

From day one in your emergence on this board, you have consistently berated all Democrats with the exception of Sanders, of course and favored those who either do not have a flying chance in hell, are flaky, or actually are alt-rightish. I don't even believe that you really support those others except Bernie. It's just a convenient tool to sow dissension. You've admitted that you threw your vote to Stein last time in an unsafe state. You've admitted that you will do it again, should you not get what you want. You will never support whomever gets the nomination unless it is Bernie. You actively undermine all others who actually might receive the nomination.

I don't believe for one second that you want the same as the majority of us do, which is to be free of Trump rule and all of the terrible things he and his party has done to this country and its people. You see, you aren't all that discontent with Trump rule. You certainly have never once given the same fervor nor level of anger/hatred toward them as you reserve for Democrats. Not once. Not every time he violates the constitution, not when he commits treason and not when he locks up children stealing them from their families.

You do this because you never got over Bernie losing the nomination. You are content to throw a wrench into the works because you didn't get what you want. Doing it last time wasn't enough. You wish to do it this time, as well. You are not the only one. There is one more displaying the same behavior.

You are both here to sow chaos and cause dissension within the party and within this board. You are an agent of chaos.

Jolene, what I get from this is that you need to stamp my forehead with a big "D" that doesn't stand for "democracy". It makes you feel safe if I just preemptively surrender to the authority of the Democratic Party? Then I can be free to lose what I really want and live as if I've never lost anything? That doesn't make me feel safe. It makes me feel like I'm in East Berlin or back in the U.S.S.R.

" You are content to throw a wrench into the works because you didn't get what you want. Doing it last time wasn't enough. You wish to do it this time, as well."
The fact that you seem content for this to be a "works" is very troublesome to me, especially when there is so much at stake.

"I don't believe for one second that you want the same as the majority of us do, which is to be free of Trump rule and all of the terrible things he and his party has done to this country and its people. You see, you aren't all that discontent with Trump rule. You certainly have never once given the same fervor nor level of anger/hatred toward them as you reserve for Democrats. Not once. Not every time he violates the constitution, not when he commits treason and not when he locks up children stealing them from their families."
There is so much wrong with this authoritarian line of thinking. If you can't see yourself, Jolene, I can't help you.

"You are not the only one. There is one more displaying the same behavior."
Let me be clear. I am an individual representing my own mind and not conspiring with any other entity or organization to undermine your perceived security and jurisdiction.

You are both here to sow chaos and cause dissension within the party and within this board. You are an agent of chaos.
I'm just a guy who really has no where else to go, but this party. Lifelong Democrat. In 2015 I watched Barbara Boxer, someone I admired greatly, stand up on national TV and cheer blatant fraud. At that moment, I discovered something I had in myself that was never part of my identity as a Democrat.. an anchored morale center. Maybe I am an agent of chaos, I don't know. I'm just trying to find my way with what I've learned.You tell me I'm supposed to cry for children here and ignore them when we kill them there. I'm supposed to hate Trump for violating the Constitution and blindly support a party that does the same thing.

If you want me to go away, then STOP LYING TO ME! Stop dangling hope of Peace. Democratic Socialism, Humanism, and Visionaries in front of my face, then demand that I accept something else. Stop saying you are against murder, blackmail, treason, injustice, hate, inequality, hypocrisy, and authoritarianism, while simultaneously trying to cram it down my throat. Stop lying to me and lying to yourself. Then, I will gladly go away.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Classic abuser shit.

 

[Cristalle]

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This is a smear that is utterly unfounded. You cannot go around throwing around charges of treason without evidence. With Flynn, there is evidence. This is just a cheap smear from a sore loser to divide us up even more.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Huge, steaming pile of shit.

One thing it addresses quite well is that you are content enough under Trump. You are, as I said, here to sow dissension. You are not here to discuss Democratic Party Candidates for 2020, as the title states. You are here to throw shit on all, except Bernie and a few who don't stand a chance perhaps, because to you they are all the very same as Trump. Bothsideism at its finest.

How about you stop lying to us about your motivation and please, oh please, stop trying to wrap it all up in some fake bullshit that you care oh so much about anything? You're not capable of crying over what Trump has done to children here because you're not capable of it, regardless of where it takes place. You see, functioning adults are capable of feeling more than one thing at a time about more than one place. That you take that tack shows, to me, that you don't really give a shit about either. It's just a convenient thing you use to try and justify yourself. You give yourself away.

 

[Aeon Jiminy]

Always focusing on and blaming " the other". Just for the record, that's actually "Classic abuser shit".

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Always focusing on and blaming " the other". Just for the record, that's actually "Classic abuser shit".

Nah, what is classic is that you are attempting to use key words of those that you think might sympathize and try to rope others into your circle. You want to be seen as some outcast and you want to have others defend you, when really it's all just smoke and mirrors. You have no goal except dissension and chaos.

We've been through more accomplished mind-fuckers and chaos stirrers than you. This is not novel in the slightest.

 

[Aeon Jiminy]

Nah, what is classic is that you are attempting to use the words of those above you in order to create sympathy for yourself and try to rope others into your circle. You want to be seen as some enlightened outcast and you want to have others defend you, when really it's all just smoke and mirrors. You have no goal except dissension and chaos.

We've been through more accomplished mind-fuckers and chaos stirrers than you. This is not novel in the slightest.

God, do you realize how much you sound like an adult child of an alcoholic?