Democratic Party Presidential Candidates for 2020

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Jolene Benoir

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<tangent \> OK I'm confused by the negative reaction to his neoliberal statement. Bush 43 had a hawkish cabinet packed with "Anarchy is fine, all they need are elections" neolibs running the Iraq war policy, so in my book neolibs are to liberal democracy what 19th century classical liberal economic theory is to Irish famine relief.

So yes, I can see neolibs starting World War 3, anyone seeing reality through a tightly constrained filter set based on flowcharts and decision trees and MacNamarish game theory full of predictable outcomes with huge reality gaps (Schlieffen plan, anyone? No? Well then how about domino theory?) has high odds of lighting the world on fire.

Or am I missing something?
That comment was clearly in reaction to the pushback that he/she is receiving here. The implication in the sentence is that those who disagree with them are neoliberals.

Do you believe that anyone here is actually a neoliberal or was it more likely an attempt to portray as such?
 
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But the good news is that this qualifies him for a nomination of Secretary of Not Stealing Things.
I saw this yesterday too and posted elsewhere. It's a woman, who believes a QAnon conspiracy theory that Trump is battling a global cable of elite, liberal pedophiles. She also believes that Minneapolis is the "crime capital of the country" and is/was intending to run on a law and order platform. As I stated elsewhere, I don't even know how she could get $2327 worth of merchandise in one cart at Target. Apparently it was 279 items, of which she paid for $50 worth. She claims PTSD, btw, yet she also was arrested for theft at Cub Foods, as well.

Omar won her seat by 60 points - 80/20. The district covers Minneapolis proper and is one of the most liberal districts in the country,I believe. The previous representative was Keith Ellison. She may have lost some support due to what some consider anti-semitic remarks, when she has attacked Israeli policy but I'm guessing not enough to lose next time. Interestingly, Keith Ellison said many of the same things, and was disliked by the right-wingers too, but not quite to the same extent. I think, if anything were to happen, it would be more likely that she would be primaried, but even there, I don't know.

The full scale of attack machine has been set into motion against her. They are alleging that she married her brother, that her favorable ratings are only 9% (nationwide poll, and who elects her, not the nation) and yada yada. They are bound to make some inroads.

I guess it is only inevitable that some people who aren't qualified to be dogcatcher see themselves as potential victors over her. It's unlikely that even a sane Republican would be elected in this district, let alone a batshit crazy one.
 
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Basically, it all comes down to this: Let's work on getting Trump out of office, taking back the Senate, and getting this ship back on an even keel. Once that's done, then let's worry about moving the Democratic Party leftward.
That's a plan. 1.5 years of Trump + likely 8 years of Establishment Democratic rule + at least 4 years of reactionary Conservative rule that will likely make Trumpism look like a beach vacation. All the while, any real left progress will drive 80 mph into a brick wall. Welcome to 2032.

Do you really want to wait until then to talk about climate change, Med4all, private prisons, refugee concentration camps, income inequality?

Since 1992, we love to believe administrations have been like ping pong. In reality, they have mostly been fluid. One administration dismantles protections and the next one uses their new powers like a wrecking ball. They never tear down their power. The next establishment Democrats will not tear down concentration camps, dismantle media monopolies, or deliver health care solutions. "It's nothing that a good coat of paint can't fix" will be their solutions while their goals will be ramping up hot and cold war and delivering the TPP in a brand new box and looking damn good on the cover of Rolling Stone while they do it.

We are out of time. Do you really want that "reactionary Conservative rule" deciding your fate if the oceans decide to Take America Back before you're ready?

I know I'm an imbecile. (n):rolleyes:o_O:ROFLMAO::LOL:(n) I'll save everyone the trouble. Have a great day!
 

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That's a plan. 1.5 years of Trump + likely 8 years of Establishment Democratic rule + at least 4 years of reactionary Conservative rule that will likely make Trumpism look like a beach vacation. All the while, any real left progress will drive 80 mph into a brick wall. Welcome to 2032.

Do you really want to wait until then to talk about climate change, Med4all, private prisons, refugee concentration camps, income inequality?

Since 1992, we love to believe administrations have been like ping pong. In reality, they have mostly been fluid. One administration dismantles protections and the next one uses their new powers like a wrecking ball. They never tear down their power. The next establishment Democrats will not tear down concentration camps, dismantle media monopolies, or deliver health care solutions. "It's nothing that a good coat of paint can't fix" will be their solutions while their goals will be ramping up hot and cold war and delivering the TPP in a brand new box and looking damn good on the cover of Rolling Stone while they do it.

We are out of time. Do you really want that "reactionary Conservative rule" deciding your fate if the oceans decide to Take America Back before you're ready?

I know I'm an imbecile. (n):rolleyes:o_O:ROFLMAO::LOL:(n) I'll save everyone the trouble. Have a great day!
Well, sure. We can go with your plan of going all-in with every idealistic goal now when America isn't ready for it, lose the election, then deal with four more years of the Orange Shitgibbon, eight years of Trump Jr., eight years of Ivanka, and eight years of Barron.

OR, we can ease into it and not scare everyone off. Yes, I realize time is short, but some progress is better than no progress.
 

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Just wanted to share some thoughts. I am one of the weirdos still on the sidelines and waiting to see which of the 200 or so candidates are serious now that the election is still over a year away. If you are unable to get out and make a case for your candidate right now and let me know why that candidate is good and is worth my consideration, then I am going to tune you out and go on about my business. I am not sure what the point is of worrying whether or not the options are good before the options have been determined especially when the next eight months are supposed to be about determining the options.
 

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Just wanted to share some thoughts. I am one of the weirdos still on the sidelines and waiting to see which of the 200 or so candidates are serious now that the election is still over a year away. If you are unable to get out and make a case for your candidate right now and let me know why that candidate is good and is worth my consideration, then I am going to tune you out and go on about my business. I am not sure what the point is of worrying whether or not the options are good before the options have been determined especially when the next eight months are supposed to be about determining the options.
My obvious choice is still Warren and always has been, as of yet. I believe her to have both the smarts and the heart to bring about the underlying changes required to restore us to a more democratic nation (and by that I mean directly targeting those who have stolen its premise, its prosperity and its hope.)

Is she balls-to-the-wall let's tear it all down? Yes and no. No, in the populist sense of having no plan in place other than destruction. A mob might well want to see that, but it often doesn't end well. Yes, in the sense of having the wisdom and experience to know HOW to go about it.

Will she succeed? Will she even be elected or win the primary? I don't know. There are a ton and I mean a ton of resources/people who hate that very idea and those people are quite powerful. Even if she were elected, those forces won't be brought to heel in any easy manner. They have taken decades to work their way into power, and boy do they ever have power. This isn't going to be an easy road, by any means, assuming all hope. One person alone cannot possibly do it. It has to be concerted. If it were to have any chance of success, Congress MUST be taken as well, and the American people need to see the necessity of it and work together to achieve it, much in the way the New Deal did so many decades ago. Hopefully, it won't take a Great Depression to convince people, but I don't know.

We are facing what sometimes seems to feel like insurmountable odds. Some days it feels impossible. Other days more hopeful. We have a lot of very serious challenges ahead of us, not the least of which is climate change and we owe it to our children/grandchildren to try and do better. That begins with someone of integrity, leading the way. Someone who is willing, despite the cost, to stand up for what is right. Obviously, even that could fail, but again, we must try, but it has to be a group effort, imo.
 
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Well, sure. We can go with your plan of going all-in with every idealistic goal now when America isn't ready for it, lose the election, then deal with four more years of the Orange Shitgibbon, eight years of Trump Jr., eight years of Ivanka, and eight years of Barron.

OR, we can ease into it and not scare everyone off. Yes, I realize time is short, but some progress is better than no progress.
That's pretty optimistic. I personally think its about fifteen years more of Trump, then another thirty or so of Ivanka, then whoever she names her heir.

(This post actually isn't meant to be funny. I'm deadly serious.)
 

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Sorry, are we seriously re-litigating the 2016 election? It literally has nothing to do with the last except for the lesson learned that the party has to be united if it is to have a chance in hell. I say that with the tiny bit of authority of having been the person shouting "WE ARE GOING TO LOSE" on SLU for months before that election.

The electoral college is against us. The Republicans will have foreign help, possibly including voter registration rolls and even hacked results. Our chances of winning with a strong centrist candidate are slight. Our chances of winning with someone only one edge of the party or the other likes is non-existent. That's not a great scenario, but its the flat out truth, in my opinion. We take some of the swing states back or we are hosed and so is democracy as we know it.
If your odds are shit in either scenario why not go with the one that gives the higher potential reward?
 

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Bernie’s machine could possibly be it, and as a northern New Englander I understand him and trust him, but he ultimately threw his support to Clinton and why? Because he could see what was coming at us in this country. He will support whoever the Dems pick this time too, for the same reason.
Same here, being also from 'Bernie Country' his politics make sense to me. I always explain that NH probably has more political points of view than people eligible to vote .... in other words, we often take political questions VERY seriously and are not apt to act like lemmings if someone says how we should vote.

Anyway, that extends into the micro level as well. A common one people bash Bernie on is he is not the most anti-gun of politicians, but look at the area. For the most part we do not have major population centres (Boston is an anomaly) so a gun is usually a rifle and treated like just another tool.
 
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I received a fundraising email from Bernie's campaign last week that was basically a Biden attack. This post isn't to litigate his horrible statement the other week or his other myriad of issues - but to point out that Bernie already seems to be going down an "attack the other candidates" path that doesn't bode well to this whole thing not ending with everyone dead from the circular firing squad or followers willing to vote for the opposition if they get the nomination.

Again, this post isn't to defend Biden. The purpose is to show that the candidates are turning down the attack path in a way that could be hard to walk back after a nomination if it goes that way.
What a sheltered life you must lead if you get the vapors from a politician attacking another one after the same seat!
 

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That's a plan. 1.5 years of Trump + likely 8 years of Establishment Democratic rule + at least 4 years of reactionary Conservative rule that will likely make Trumpism look like a beach vacation. All the while, any real left progress will drive 80 mph into a brick wall. Welcome to 2032.
By 2032 the election will have nothing at all to do with humans, except the ones that control the AI. Probably 2028. You already know what the plutocrats want because they already control the media. Your future is both neoliberalism (unchecked capitalism) and neoconservatism (American exceptionalism, interventionist foreign policy). Pretty much what we already have from both parties, both serving the plutocrats and keeping the plebs so busy and so poor they can't do anything about it, but the propaganda will get more and more optimized and opposition will get more and more suppressed. You'll cheer it on because the charismatic talking heads will tell you to.

2012 was probably the last real election. 2016 was an accidental outcome. They'll get that shit figured out by 2024, and reliable by 2028.
 
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As to why there are so many [candidates]? The cynic in me thinks the plan is to make sure the first round of delegate voting fails to find a winner, so that the second round, where the superdelegates come in, assure the plutocrats that there will not be a President Bernie Sanders.
An even more cynical take: 2020 is a test. Can they make a president out of anyone they choose? Is the propaganda good enough? The answer is already apparent: no, it is not yet good enough. Harris and Buttigieg didn't take. Biden is recognition that it can't be just anyone, but they know that's not going to work, either. Warren isn't even a chosen one, but my bet is they'll eventually back her as the best outcome they can hope for. This time.

Backup plan: DHS takes control of election infrastructure. Blame it on the Russians.
 
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What we're discussing now is temporary. By 2040, if not sooner, the entire political landscape will have changed due to the disruptions and stresses of climate change. There's no use even trying to extrapolate from current events, because there's no template for what is coming, especially since it will be on a global scale. The current power structure will be upended for something different that doesn't exist now.
 

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What we're discussing now is temporary. By 2040, if not sooner, the entire political landscape will have changed due to the disruptions and stresses of climate change. There's no use even trying to extrapolate from current events, because there's no template for what is coming, especially since it will be on a global scale. The current power structure will be upended for something different that doesn't exist now.
I guess there is also going to be another, important reason why the landscape will change: because the people who used to vote always Democrats or GOP are dying, slowly but steadily. Instead the generation which is being called the millenials in America is going to overtake most of the votes, and those tend to vote more strategically than loyally.

I mean those are at the moment blamed for almost everything, but they are the future. Either the old parties are going to adapt, or are going to be in for a very rough ride.
 
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