Democratic Party Presidential Candidates for 2020

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Cristalle

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Kamala was on Rachel last night. I was impressed with what she had to say, mainly because she took head-on the questions over her record as a prosecutor:

Kamala Harris Calls On Americans To Step Up
She is spinning what happened with those dismissals. She said "we dismissed those cases." No. Memos came out showing that her deputies knew about the problem with the lab tech. The judge dismissed those cases, her office tried to defend by saying that the judge had a conflict of interest. "Ms. Harris contested the ruling by arguing that the judge, whose husband was a defense attorney and had spoken publicly about the importance of disclosing evidence, had a conflict of interest. Ms. Harris lost. More than 600 cases handled by the corrupt technician were dismissed."

Opinion | Kamala Harris Was Not a ‘Progressive Prosecutor’
 

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She is spinning what happened with those dismissals. She said "we dismissed those cases." No. Memos came out showing that her deputies knew about the problem with the lab tech. The judge dismissed those cases, her office tried to defend by saying that the judge had a conflict of interest.
Kamala states in the Maddow interview, if you watched it (5:30), that the crime lab was run by the SF PD, not by her State Attorney General's office. You can interpret her use of "we" a number of ways, but it comes down to the courts still relying on the AG to agree with dismissals rather than contest them.

This, to me, is typical Democratic Party bickering (not aimed at you, Cristalle, but at the Party). We really do eat our own young.
 

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Kamala states in the Maddow interview, if you watched it (5:30), that the crime lab was run by the SF PD, not by her State Attorney General's office.

This, to me, is typical Democratic Party bickering (not aimed at you, Cristalle, but at the Party). We really do eat our own young.
I did watch, Cindy. I can accept that her office did not run that lab and that oversight would naturally be limited. My quibble is that the article I quoted specifically states that there are memos that indicate that her subordinates knew of the problem. Her spin is "we got the cases dismissed." No, she fought that instead by trying to get rid of the judge. Nahhh, I don't like that. From the linked article that showed up in my paste:

By Staff Report on August 5, 2010 12:00 am
An independent judge has denied claims of bias made by prosecutors about another judge who lambasted District Attorney Kamala Harris’ office in the wake of the crime-lab scandal.

In May, Judge Anne-Christine Massullo slammed the District Attorney’s Office for failing to provide information about lab technician Deborah Madden’s criminal past to defense attorneys, which is a violation of the U.S. Constitution.

Harris had placed the blame with the Police Department, which held Madden’s personnel records but failed to provide a history of disciplinary actions to prosecutors.

Massullo, however, said prosecutors were just as much to blame because they work closely with police and that “by at least Nov. 19, 2009, individuals at the highest levels of the District Attorney’s Office knew that Madden was not a dependable witness at trial and that there were serious concerns regarding the crime lab.”

Prosecutors countered with court filings claiming Massullo’s husband was a defense attorney and had appeared on a panel to talk about the so-called Brady issues, creating a conflict of interest that should disqualify Massullo from ruling on the case. Under Brady policy, a witness must disclose any past criminal history.

Monterey County Superior Court Judge Thomas Wills was brought in to rule on the motion and denied it in a decision filed Wednesday.
That is not acceding to the fact that there was a problem.
 
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Ok, whatever. My question is this: how does this diminish her qualifications to be President? Not even comparing her to the current douchebag, but she strikes me as one of the, if not THE, most qualified candidate so far.
 

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She's as qualified as anyone in the field, more than some. This quibble is about character. She misled people in that response. She may recognize that the cases should have been dismissed but she couldn't admit that she was wrong for trying to hold on. Starting off with misdirection does not engender trust, for me. If she's the last one standing, she will get my vote because we already know what the alternative is. But she needs to earn people's votes in this primary, she ought not complain about smears when she's not being truthful herself with the public.
 

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I guess Joe Biden is off my list of possibles.
But Mr. Biden was not there to denounce Mr. Upton. Instead, he was collecting $200,000 from the Economic Club of Southwestern Michigan to address a Republican-leaning audience, according to a speaking contract obtained by The New York Times and interviews with organizers.
Mr. Biden stunned Democrats and elated Republicans by praising Mr. Upton while the lawmaker looked on from the audience. Alluding to Mr. Upton’s support for a landmark medical-research law, Mr. Biden called him a champion in the fight against cancer — and “one of the finest guys I’ve ever worked with.”
There is no evidence Mr. Biden was motivated to praise the lawmaker by anything other than sincere admiration, stemming from Mr. Upton’s role in crafting the 21st Century Cures Act after the death of Mr. Biden’s elder son, Beau, from cancer in 2015.
But Mr. Biden’s appearance in Michigan plainly set his lucrative personal activities at odds with what some Democrats saw as his duty to the party, linking him with a civic group seen as tilting to the right and undermining Democrats’ effort to defeat Mr. Upton, a powerful lawmaker who in 2017 helped craft a bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act.
The local Democratic Party pleaded with Mr. Biden to repair what it saw as a damaging error, to no avail. On Nov. 6, Mr. Upton defeated his Democratic challenger by four and a half percentage points.
As Mr. Biden considers a bid for the presidency in 2020, the episode underscores his potential vulnerabilities in a fight for the Democratic nomination and raises questions about his judgment as a party leader. Mr. Biden has attempted to strike a balance since leaving office, presenting himself as a unifying statesman who could unseat President Trump while also working to amass a modest fortune of several million dollars.
 

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This quibble is about character. She misled people in that response. She may recognize that the cases should have been dismissed but she couldn't admit that she was wrong for trying to hold on. Starting off with misdirection does not engender trust, for me.
Given our experience with Trump, I'm looking for a candidate who doesn't lie to the public. That may be impossible in politics, but let's at least find one that's truthful 90% of the time.
 

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Richard Ojeda is out. This is too bad, because I really wanted to see him on the debate stage. He has a lot of integrity, though, and for that I appreciate what he's done. We need more people with such integrity and selfless service.

 

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Looks like Willie Brown wants to take the wind from Kamala's sails. :sick:
 

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My first choice can't run, because she isn't old enough. :)
I refuse to try to get into it at this time; there is going to be a lot of coming and going over the next few months. As things sort out, I will see who is left standing, and make my vote in the Michigan primary when it gets here.
Then in November, I will vote for *anybody* over Trump.
 
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