Covid-19 vaccine thread

[Innula Zenovka]

In 2018, Diplomats Warned of Risky Coronavirus Experiments in a Wuhan Lab. No One Listened.

After seeing a risky lab, they wrote a cable warning to Washington. But it was ignored.

www.politico.com

Not about the vaccine, but about the origins of Covid. This is explosive.

In what way is it explosive, though?

At its highest, all we can say is that in 2018 the US embassy sent a report to Washington expressing their concern that research into bats and Coronavirus was taking place at a lab in Wuhan that both they and -- they say -- the lab staff considered unsafe.

The State Department, for whatever reason, disregarded the report, or seem to have taken no action, at least, and nothing seems to have come of it.

Certainly there's plenty of grounds there for speculation but that's all.

The Chinese government, after all, is getting away with genocide directed against the Uighurs right this minute and no one's doing much about it, so I don't see how anyone is going gain much satisfaction from them about their possibly being responsible for the outbreak of Covid-19 because of -- well, what? A lot of "ifs," but nothing anyone can ever prove.

Not aimed at you, Jolene -- just me feeling even more crabby and cynical than usual today.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

In 2018, Diplomats Warned of Risky Coronavirus Experiments in a Wuhan Lab. No One Listened.

After seeing a risky lab, they wrote a cable warning to Washington. But it was ignored.

www.politico.com

Not about the vaccine, but about the origins of Covid. This is explosive.

So, a part of me was pretty sure this was an escapee from a lab; research is research, and this felt like research broken free. And its not part of that culture to go 'Oops, we messed up.' because face.

But on the other hand, this is still super frightening.

 

[Sid]

China can get away with a lot these days.
Just like the USA always could.
They have become a world leader and are moving forward very quickly to become the number 1 world leader.

 

[Sid]

So, a part of me was pretty sure this was an escapee from a lab; research is research, and this felt like research broken free. And its not part of that culture to go 'Oops, we messed up.' because face.

But on the other hand, this is still super frightening.

The HIV had rumors of a lab escape as well.
Never proven.
Same will happen with COVID-19. It might be true, it might not.
Those virus research programs are highly classified most of the time.

They always deliver great conspiracy stuff.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

The HIV had rumors of a lab escape as well.
Never proven.
Same will happen with COVID-19. It might be true, it might not.
Those virus research programs are highly classified most of the time.

They always deliver great conspiracy stuff.

Not really sure how you get conspiracy from what I said or what I read. I didn't say it was a bioweapon. To fight disease, you have to study it. And if they were testing on mice? One gets loose and that's all it would take.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Not really sure how you get conspiracy from what I said or what I read. I didn't say it was a bioweapon. To fight disease, you have to study it. And if they were testing on mice? One gets loose and that's all it would take.

Yes, but since we can never know, what's the point in speculating? Yes, it could have been a mouse that got loose or it could have been the result of something that happened in the live food market, or any number of things, and we'll never know.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Yes, but since we can never know, what's the point in speculating? Yes, it could have been a mouse that got loose or it could have been the result of something that happened in the live food market, or any number of things, and we'll never know.

To my mind, that article makes the case and pretty well that it was not from the food markets at all but from experimentation done at that lab. It does NOT appear to have been part of some bioweapons research but study done there, trying to isolate the Sars and other coronaviruses and relation to bats, and which accidentally infected, I think, some of the lab folks and then the greater world. In the article, it states that the Obama administration put a moratorium on that specific type of study, which obviously wasn't held to at that lab, and of course the State Dept under Trump took no heed of warnings, either.

What makes it explosive is that Trump and co are most definitely going to use this to say they were right all along, though they clearly were not and had their own part in not heeding warnings.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

To my mind, that article makes the case and pretty well that it was not from the food markets at all but from experimentation done at that lab. It does NOT appear to have been part of some bioweapons research but study done there, trying to isolate the Sars and other coronaviruses and relation to bats, and which accidentally infected, I think, some of the lab folks and then the greater world. In the article, it states that the Obama administration put a moratorium on that specific type of study, which obviously wasn't held to at that lab, and of course the State Dept under Trump took no heed of warnings, either.

What makes it explosive is that Trump and co are most definitely going to use this to say they were right all along, though they clearly were not and had their own part in not heeding warnings.

Sorry, but I don't see it.

A report was written in 2018, which I assume has not been confirmed by the Chinese government and which the US government seemingly didn't take sufficiently seriously to take any action about it.

How can that tell us anything about events that took place eighteen months or so in the future?

What happened at the lab after the report was written, for example? Did conditions improve, deteriorate or stay the same, and how do we know?

All it does is make a plausible case for one possible sequence of events. But without evidence, that's simply speculation and takes no one any further.

We don't know what caused the outbreak and probably never will, and I don't really see that it matters a great deal.

I mean, presumably the Chinese, the US, the UK, Russia and everyone else researching viruses and other biohazards has had to review their safety procedures anyway, in the light of the pandemic, so it's not a lessons learned kind of thing.

 

[Kara Spengler]

we are getting a bit better here in dc, it used to be you could sign up on a friday and the slots would be gone in a few minutes. now i was able to sign up at the hospital i go to and they will call me to set up the appointment.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

Tomorrow over 50 can sign up in Ohio. I plan on being up very early to try to get a spot. I know OSU has started using the J&J vaccine, so there are a lot more slots available.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Got a call today from the State of Florida to make my appointment [that I probably wouldn't have gotten, but.... ] and told her I had an appointment. Meanwhile, apparently the state made it require an actual form and not just a form letter, so spouse had to go get the new forms just in case.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Luisa Land]

The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is expected to be licensed for the EU on Thursday (11.03).

Now there are reports that the American company may have supply problems.

The newspaper FAZ writes
"If J&J's difficulties are confirmed, the EU Commission's vaccination plans could slip again. Most recently, the EU authority had pilloried the manufacturer Astra-Zeneca because it had so far delivered only about one tenth of the maximum contractually agreed scope of supply to the EU. For this reason, the Commission also classifies the Astra-Zeneca deliveries of almost 200 million doses planned for the second quarter as uncertain. Commission head Ursula von der Leyen recently calculated a total of 300 million doses for the second quarter. She explicitly justified this with the fact that the approval of further vaccines was imminent.


So far, EU plans have been that J&J could start supplying the EU soon after approval, i.e. early in the second quarter. The vaccine is produced in the Netherlands and Belgium, but should be partly bottled in the United States. It remains to be seen whether the EU will again be tempted to impose an export ban against this background, as Italy recently did for Astra-Zeneca vaccine that was to be exported to Australia. Von der Leyen had indicated on Monday that she thought this would be a sensible instrument to ensure the supply of vaccines in the EU."

Corona-Impfstoff aus den USA: Johnson & Johnson hat Lieferprobleme

Am Donnerstag soll das Vakzin von Johnson & Johnson als viertes in der EU genehmigt werden. Doch jetzt deuten sich auch bei dem amerikanischen Unternehmen Produktionsschwierigkeiten an.

www.faz.net

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

 

[Jolene Benoir]

MN just started 65+ today. Last week was 70+ so moving along at a pretty good clip. Going to be a bit yet for me, but that's okay, I can wait if it means elders getting it and by a good percentage.

 

[Isabeau]

Obviously I’m really, truly happy when people are psyched about getting their shot but this made me laugh.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Obviously I’m really, truly happy when people are psyched about getting their shot but this made me laugh.

Haha, yeah, I've been ambivalent and staring down July-August but I'm choosing to be happy for others.

 

[Romana]

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

 

[Lexxi]

 

[Veritable Quandry]

They opened enrollment for 50+ on Thursday, so since I am still up past midnight and it is technically Thursday, I logged in and got an appointment for Saturday.