Charlie Kirk Shot and Killed In Utah

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I am a huge fan of Kyle - there is a new scandal regarding Kash Patel and the Kirk murder investigation among other things:

 
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I saw this on X and I think it is spot on regarding Erika. It is a long read.

Elizabeth Lane said:
I’m going to be blunt. I’ve reached the point where I find Erika Kirk deeply disturbing, not because of rumors or gossip, but because of consistent, observable patterns of behavior. To be clear, everything I say in this post is my opinion, I’m not claiming this is a fact I’m saying this is what I think Erica Kirk is. I come from the world of acting and modeling.

I’ve spent years around social climbers, opportunists, image-curators, and people who treat relationships as ladders, that is why I left that world. Most of these people are shallow and harmless. A few are dangerous. Erika falls into the latter category not because she is just ambitious, but because of how calculated and performative her ambition appears to be. I believe she maybe a psychopath. What stands out immediately is the reaction she provokes in people, which is very common with psychopaths.

Across the board including from people who support her publicly, the private reaction is the same: “I can’t watch her.” Not criticism, just physical discomfort. People turn off interviews because the presentation feels artificial to the point of being unbearable. let me explain: That kind of response does not happen accidentally, and it does not happen often. Research in psychology shows that humans are highly sensitive to emotional incongruence, mismatches between facial expression, tone, and content. When affect appears simulated rather than genuine, the brain registers it as a threat signal. This activates discomfort and avoidance, even if the person cannot consciously explain why. So many of us felt this way but we could not explain why we could not watch her.

Studies on psychopathy, particularly those building on the work of psychologists like Robert Hare, describe traits such as rehearsed emotional display, and shallow affect. These traits can create what observers experience as an “uncanny” interpersonal dynamic. The discomfort arises and people want to shut it off because most people rarely encounter extreme affective mimicry in everyday life, so the brain struggles to categorize what it is detecting. (Comment below if this is what you felt like when watching her.) Erica is attractive enough, and she had every tool in her position to sell this organically except for one thing - emotion.

The entire story of what happened could have helped her sell this fully, she really would have been the last person on earth to be a suspect, if not for the FBI’s terrible mistakes, TPUSA’s lies, and her very fake performance. Plenty of attractive, ambitious women move through media spaces without triggering that response, even though we know what they are. This is about something else, an extreme disconnect between presentation she puts out and perceived authenticity. Erica is not the archetype of a model/actress seeking money and fame and then settling into a quiet life with a wealthy good looking husband. She’s the wolf type. Who wants to be in the place of that husband.

She is not born for a supporting role, she’s a decision-maker type. She appears to pursue proximity to power, moving fluidly between television, nonprofits, branding opportunities, and ideological spaces that maximize exposure. Her previous partners are guys women like her would date, muscular, jacked, good-looking. Even though they are not people with huge potential, they are all somewhat established. They are good stepping stones until the right person shows up.

Now, looking at her previous partners, I’d say Charlie probably was not her type visually, but he was exactly what she was looking for in a man - potential to be a great power. What Erica was looking for is the same thing Hillary Clinton was looking for when she met Bill. She recognized that Bill Clinton was her ticket to power, the power she could control and she was right. She realized she could create a great brand out of him and herself, and they still are a brand. The Clintons. No one in this world can say they love each other. They are a brand that works. This is why she’s sticking around despite Epstein and Lewinsky. Also, if you think Bill is the decision-maker there, you must have never been in close proximity to the Clintons. She moves the game, she is the decision-maker.

Erica saw a brand with Charlie. She also saw that Charlie could one day become President of the United States if he wanted to. Charlie had the ear of the most powerful segment of any society - students! He was going to be a very important player in politics, and she was not missing that ride. What’s striking is how completely her public identity reshapes itself after that relationship begins. The aesthetic, the tone, the values, the presentation all change. Overnight, the persona shifts into the role that best fits Charlie’s world, devoted Christian, modest, supportive housewife. That kind of rapid adaptation is quite impressive for a usual person but not for a psychopath, they do it all the time. In my head story goes like this: For a moment, it works. She becomes the wife of a rising political figure with access to donors, institutions, and national platforms.

At that point, the ceiling isn’t social media influence, it’s empire-building, foundations, global reach, a legacy brand - Kirks! It’s obvious that Charlie listens to her, whether it’s about donors or the trajectory of TPUSA. The most influential figure in any mentally healthy man’s life is his wife. She is going to be the biggest influence, and that’s just how it is. That is why you need to pick you partner wisely! Everything was going well until Charlie makes decisions based on conscience rather than expansion and money. He turns down money. He refuses to play dirty politics. I’m assuming someone like Erica who married into this because she had a vision for this brand would not be very happy that the life she appears to have signed up for - power couple, expanding influence, historical relevance, was collapsing into something else entirely, domesticity, housewife kids and now Charlie's refusing to accept the money that can make him a global power.

A supporting role instead of center stage is not her thing. Her husband died a few days ago, and she walks onto the stage as if she were born there. It comes naturally to her, she knows it, and she wants it. Just days after her husband’s death, she was already laying out ambitious plans for the company over Zoom. It’s obvious she was always deeply involved in the business and knew exactly where to pick up when her turn came. What people struggle to watch, what makes the screen unbearable, is not grief. It’s the absence of emotional continuity. Performances can be learned, trust me, as a former actress I can speak to that, but emotion can’t be improvised or mimicked if you’ve never experienced it.

That’s why I think we are dealing with a psychopath who has never really experienced these emotions and does not know how to play them. And audiences feel it instantly. It’s fake. Again just my opinion. This isn’t an accusation of crime, I’m not claiming this is what happened and it's a fact. It’s an analysis I made after watching her long enough. And quite honestly I am sick of this shit.
 

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This occured to you just now?

Sheesh, many people on this forum have been ahead of you by at least two decades.

Personally, I realized that the American system is deeply flawed when W. Bush and Cheney got installed into the White House by the SCOTUS. And just like you, I'm not even living there. I'm also definitely not the first to reach that conclusion.

So, congrats to figuring out the obvious.

But if you had fully understood the problem, then you would also have realized that the system itself is set up in way that limits what the average person can do about correcting it.
A tiny thing. The smallest of things. Mandatory voting. Back from when I could do that. ALL MY LIFE.
Because then, people notice when others can't do so and stand up for it while it's happening. As it's happening.

And with freedom of stuff and all the things? That's what you lost.

Big time.
 

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This occured to you just now?

Sheesh, many people on this forum have been ahead of you by at least two decades.

Personally, I realized that the American system is deeply flawed when W. Bush and Cheney got installed into the White House by the SCOTUS. And just like you, I'm not even living there. I'm also definitely not the first to reach that conclusion.

So, congrats to figuring out the obvious.

But if you had fully understood the problem, then you would also have realized that the system itself is set up in way that limits what the average person can do about correcting it.
So maybe, two decades ago, when I was voting, and most of that country was denying others their vote, we could, as middle powers have done something about it?
Fuck you for making me look like a fool and deciding that I can't be fucking angry about it on THIS day.
Who the fuck are you to tell me when to fucking decide to feel ANYTHING???? On a given day or time frame.

Fuck off, Detrius. You are nothing but a horrid cunt, and I will not give you another moment.

Go and be angry by yourself, and refuse to do so with others.
 

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I'm out now. Detrius has made me feel that I'm not welcome here.
Detrius has been divisive and culled me from the herd.


But when you do that to people, that's what happens right?
You get what you want.
 

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I'm out now. Detrius has made me feel that I'm not welcome here.
Detrius has been divisive and culled me from the herd.


But when you do that to people, that's what happens right?
You get what you want.
In fairness to you, he was a bit mean about it, and it's not really a crime to be ignorant of US politics when you don't live here. .... but I got to ask, why are you saying this more than 2 months after his comment? Seems a little odd. Being able to shoulder criticism is important for lasting in any community.
 
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I'm out now. Detrius has made me feel that I'm not welcome here.
Detrius has been divisive and culled me from the herd.


But when you do that to people, that's what happens right?
You get what you want.
He has the social skills of an alcoholic. You're responsible for how you respond. The ignore button is an option.
 

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I'm out now. Detrius has made me feel that I'm not welcome here.
Detrius has been divisive and culled me from the herd.
Despite the fact I hit the agree reaction on Detrius' post, I always loved you in Buffy.