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The UK gets free trade...and they pay for a wall...
You forgot about agreeing to whatever his golf course wants. Because that is in the best interest of the US doncha know.
 

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Without even seeing the 'deal' I would be willing to bet you will not like it.
The point here, which left Delingpole floundering, is that people like him have been arguing that, if we leave the EU without a deal we can mitigate the effects on imports, at least, by offering 0% tariffs on goods we import from the EU.

However, if we do that, under WTO rules we have to offer the same deal, or one at least as good, to all other WTO members, including the USA. So any emergency deal we might reach with the EU also benefits the USA, without the USA having to negotiate anything.
 

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A short message from the CEO of Airbus about what might happen in the case of a no deal Brexit - namely Airbus moving their plants out of the UK:


Some just might call it fearmongering, others something to be concerned about...
And here is Mark Curtois, a Conservative MP and leading Brexiteer, responding:


I despair of the quality of some of our MPs, I really do. Some of them need reminding that the Basil Fawlty character in Fawlty Towers wasn't supposed to be a role-model.
 

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And your concern for eighth is... umm where?
Eighth is well capable of participating in the coversations, or not, without my empathy. I *am* concerned that you don’t understand the spirit of my post. My feelings are all over the board about it.
 

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Yes but we simply can't resist the fun of trolling someone who will continue to reply. Everybody here understands Eighth's mindset and everybody here understands that she will not be persuaded by any of our walls of text. But funny fun fun will be had by all!
This here is still PRS, and the original description of it in SLU was:

"Topics pertaining to politics, religion, philosophy, and social issues. Not for the faint of heart. Also, do not post while drunk, suffering from food poisoning, or while on a low carb diet. You have been warned."

So in short absolutely no safe space for anybody!
 

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"self-respecting Leavers"?
 
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That is a thing?
Oh, absolutely! Can you think of anybody Rees-Mogg respects but himself? :)

Does anyone know what the forthcoming schedule is likely to be - will the next major Parliamentary happenings be on Tuesday, as I loosely recall?
 
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Oh, absolutely! Can you think of anybody Rees-Mogg respects but himself? :)

Does anyone know what the forthcoming schedule is likely to be - will the next major Parliamentary happenings be on Tuesday, as I loosely recall?
I think so, yes. That's when they vote on plan B (which is plan A only with different sized margins and in Comic Sans).

The government motion is will apparently be a neutral one, to the effect that the House notes the statement Theresa May made last Tuesday, but it will be amendable, so there will be a variety of motions designed to express support for (among other things) ruling out "No Deal" as an option.

The only amendment that's likely to be more than a simple expression of MPs' preferences is one complex procedural one which, if it gets passed, enables MPs to take control of the House's business for the day, under certain specific circumstances. That's an important one for the Remain/Referendum side to win.
 

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Considering the absolutely stellar performance of some MP's I would not be surprised that those special MP's are expecting him to show finally show up and clean the mess, like he always does. Maybe he shoot just teach them an English lesson:

 

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Considering the absolutely stellar performance of some MP's I would not be surprised that those special MP's are expecting him to show finally show up and clean the mess, like he always does. Maybe he shoot just teach them an English lesson:

After the Doctor slaps a few people upside the ead here first.
 
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To be fair to Eighth, the complaint that the EU is a set up to promote the interests of capitalist enterprises is one that used to carry a lot of weight in the UK, too. Back in the 1980s, the Labour Party -- then led by Michael Foot -- wanted to take Britain out of this capitalist club, as he saw it (though he later came to revise his views completely and became pro-EU in the 1990s), as did Tony Benn, whose protege Jeremy Corbyn was.

So it's a line of argument I recognise, certainly. Neil Kinnock, the sometime Labour Leader (and protege of Michael Foot) writes here about how his views on the EU evolved: Neil Kinnock: why I changed my mind about Britain in Europe
Further to this, if anyone's interested in more contemporary left-wing critiques of the EU and globalisation in general, I would recommend the recent Corbynism: A Critical Approach for a critical account (from a broadly Marxist perspective) of some recent trends in left-wing anti-capitalist economic thinking, which the authors suggest is over-simplistic and mistake social relationships that have already been created by capitalism as things in themselves (e.g. sovereignty or control, which they suggest are not things that can be given away or taken back, but power relationships that are created by the existing economic system and from which countries and individuals can't simply opt out).

I'm about two-thirds of the way through it. It's pretty accessible to the interested non-political scientist/economist, and certainly explains a lot about how left and right wing populism share many common elements, including some potentially very dangerous ones.

You can find summaries of some of the arguments here What is Corbynism? The author of a new book explains why even some left-wingers have problems with it and Why Jeremy Corbyn's 'rigged system' is a template for antisemitism
 
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2 months ago there was published a


"Statement on Visit to the United Kingdom, by Professor Philip Alston, United Nations
Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights"
https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Poverty/EOM_GB_16Nov2018.pdf

"The results? 14 million people, a fifth of the population, live in poverty. Four million of these are
more than 50% below the poverty line,
1
and 1.5 million are de
stitute, unable to afford basic
essentials.
2
The widely respe
cted Institute for Fiscal Studies predicts a 7% rise in child poverty
between 2015 and 2022, and various sources predict child poverty rates of as high as 40%.
3
For
almost one in every two children to be poor in twenty
-
first century Britain is not just a
disgrace,
but a social calamity and an economic disaster, all rolled into one.
But the full picture of low
-
income well
-
being in the UK cannot be captured by statistics alone"



Does this UN- Statement play any role in the political debate of the UK today?
I could only find a remark of the british Government--

The Guardian reports: "The ministers he met – including Esther McVey, who was the work and pensions secretary until Thursday, when she resigned over the Brexit deal – were almost entirely dismissive of criticisms of welfare changes and universal credit, he said. Instead, they described critics as political saboteurs or said they failed to understand how it worked. .....Alston said the government was in a state of denial and there was a “striking disconnec "

So I guess this state of denial continues. But maybe Labour or NGO-Organisations discuss this matter? but couldnt find articels about that...
 
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"Statement on Visit to the United Kingdom, by Professor Philip Alston, United Nations
Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights"
https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Poverty/EOM_GB_16Nov2018.pdf
I do agree that since over two years all political energy and will in the UK has been sucked up by the black hole called Brexit, and that the government did not do much else.

But what on Earth makes you think that this government would even care the slightest about this report if Brexit wasn't a thing?
 

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I do agree that since over two years all political energy and will in the UK has been sucked up by the black hole called Brexit, and that the government did not do much else.
All I could find;: the UK parliament was allowed 30 minutes to discuss this review of the alarming economical situation for a big part of the british society.
The Parliament-debate was only attended by 14 MPs present (out of 650) .
The responsible secretary was not there. just an agent.
Many observer of the political processes in UK underline, that the votes for Brexit were mainly votes out of frustration (at least to a huge part) , frustration that the people felt and feel neglected, that the political elite dont look after them...
At least the british government seems not having learnt the lesson. Looks like this feeling of frustration is becoming even worse meanwhile
 
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UK ready to declare martial law to avert no-deal Brexit chaos

To be fair, the fact they're "gaming" it doesn't mean they intend to do it. Rather, it's a matter of "If things get so bad that we need to use the Emergency Powers Act, do we know what we're doing? " But it's pretty worrying, nevertheless.
 
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