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Innula Zenovka

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It's almost as if the Anglosphere has run out of grownups.
I think things in the UK will look rather different after the next general election (January 2025 at the absolute latest, but more likely some time in 2024), when Labour, led by Keir Starmer, will almost certainly win with a healthy majority -- I can't see the Conservatives recovering after the events of the last month, no matter what happens between now and then.

The problem with the UK Conservatives is that, after Brexit, the parliamentary party's more moderate members, including some of their most able and experienced ministers, left or were expelled, and now there's simply not the talent left to run things.

Starmer is decent, competent and rather boring, which is just what the country needs right now.
 

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Starmer is decent, competent and rather boring, which is just what the country needs right now.
I'm sure he is and I'm sure he will do some serious damage control. But he and his party don't seem inclined to do anything about the fundamental structural problems in British politics and governance.
 

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I'm sure he is and I'm sure he will do some serious damage control. But he and his party don't seem inclined to do anything about the fundamental structural problems in British politics and governance.
How do you mean? He intends to abolish the House of Lords and replace it with an elected second chamber, which will have particular responsibility for the regions and several other policy areas (education is one, I think). And the Labour Party voted at its recent conference in favour of proportional representation, though it's not certain that'll make its way into the final manifesto.
 

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And the Labour Party voted at its recent conference in favour of proportional representation, though it's not certain that'll make its way into the final manifesto.
Oh, that's news to me. I was told that Labour, or at least the party leadership, was not in favour of this. That's the first step towards a true representative democracy of course.
 

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How do you mean? He intends to abolish the House of Lords and replace it with an elected second chamber, which will have particular responsibility for the regions and several other policy areas (education is one, I think). And the Labour Party voted at its recent conference in favour of proportional representation, though it's not certain that'll make its way into the final manifesto.
Abolish the house of Lords? Isn't there a risk that your inconvenient senile old twits will be moved into positions of actual responsibility? I mean, some of them might even move into broadcast media and actually cause REAL damage like they have in the U.S.
 

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Oh, that's news to me. I was told that Labour, or at least the party leadership, was not in favour of this. That's the first step towards a true representative democracy of course.
It's not binding, and Starmer isn't personally in favour, but it's certainly a move in the right direction.

 
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According to The Times some senior Tories are already plotting to replace Liz Truss with Rishi Sunak and Penny Mordaunt, because her start was so bad and they don't believe that she'll get better.

That's really something, the UK is becoming much more like Italy in that regard who so far had 43 prime ministers/governments since the end of WWII.