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I will also add that Bernie's problem was partly in the media. There are a number of well-connected black people in the Democratic party that have been in the media and they have smeared Sanders constantly. The guy who wrote the articles for the Root is one of those people. They have taken the what have you done for me lately stance, to create mistrust against Bernie. They used Bernie's stance on reparations against Bernie when Biden doesn't believe in reparations. Joy Reid brought on a body language expert to try and say that Bernie was lying about Elizabeth Warren. that man has been advocating for women's rights since 1972 and they tried to paint him as a sexist. Well it worked in the cable news class. The whole thing about Bernie Bros was exactly there to destroy his candidacy, to talk about civility and sexism instead of the class issues that he is trying to advance. And it works because older people are more attuned to the cable media. And also the Democratic party loyalists.
 
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. People did not have the courage to vote their values, they voted out of fear.
I don’t get it. Of course people voted out of fear. When a truck is coming towards you in your lane should you allow fear to make you change lanes or should you have the courage to stay?
 

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What, why the eye roll, Shiloh?

All men and women were created equal by, you know the, you know, the thing!

A deepfake would make that coherent, maybe he should hope for one.
I'm just very fucking tired of the same old, same old bullshit rhetoric. Bernie is going to be 79, he's had a heart attack. He looks like hell most of the time. But, yeah, Joe Biden is "incoherent".
 

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Biden had a spectacular showing on Tuesday, winning every single county in Michigan and blowing Sanders out in three other states that voted, essentially sealing the nomination by leaving his lone rival no plausible path forward. But the big takeaway from the day’s big prize, Michigan, isn’t that Biden is a spectacular candidate. The big takeaway is that he doesn’t need to be.
Two things happened on Tuesday in Michigan. First, Democratic turnout exploded. Second, Biden performed far better with key demographic groups than Clinton did four years ago. If either one of those things happen in November, Trump will have a difficult time winning the state again. If both things happen, the president can kiss Michigan’s 16 electoral votes goodbye—and with them, more than likely, the electoral votes of Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
There goes the White House.
Far-fetched? Hardly. Beating Trump in November does not require an electoral juggernaut. This is because Trump himself, despite his frequent boasts to the contrary, is no electoral juggernaut. The president won the Electoral College in 2016 by a whisker. He carried three states—Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania—by a combined 77,744 votes.
Michigan Romp Shows Biden Could Rebuild Democrats' ‘Blue Wall’ vs. Trump
 

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I'm just very fucking tired of the same old, same old bullshit rhetoric. Bernie is going to be 79, he's had a heart attack. He looks like hell most of the time. But, yeah, Joe Biden is "incoherent".
You're asking us to not be honest about what is happening before our eyes. Well, Trump isn't waiting until November to start with that. Enjoy.

Although Bernie looks old, he's the one that has had the most energy out of all 20+ candidates and is still sharp as a tack. Biden survives because he's been mostly in hiding. No more hiding if he wins.
 
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I don’t get it. Of course people voted out of fear. When a truck is coming towards you in your lane should you allow fear to make you change lanes or should you have the courage to stay?
I too have fear. Fear that if you don't address the conditions that brought us Trump, we are going to get worse than Trump later on. I voted for lasting change, not a band-aid on the problem. Trump is a dumb-sounding, charismatic fascist. The smart, charismatic fascist who understands the levers of power is the one we have to fear.
 

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I will also add that Bernie's problem was partly in the media. There are a number of well-connected black people in the Democratic party that have been in the media and they have smeared Sanders constantly. The guy who wrote the articles for the root is one of those people. They have taken the what have you done for me lately stance, to create mistrust against Bernie. They used Bernie's stance on reparations against Bernie when Biden doesn't believe in reparations. Joy Reid brought on a body language expert to try and sit at Bernie was lying about Elizabeth Warren. that man has been advocating for women's rights since 1972 and they tried to paint him as a sexist. Well it worked in the cable news class. The whole thing about Bernie Bros was exactly there to destroy his candidacy, to talk about civility and sexism instead of the class issues that he is trying to advance. And it works because older people are more attuned to the cable media. And also the Democratic party loyalists.
This "attacking voters" strategy may very well be adopted by Republicans in the general election, too. There is absolutely no policies to talk about. Whose supporters will look the most irrational and threatening ? This may be what a jury of Independents have to decide.
 
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Exactly how you expect old people to be. Trump, Biden, Sanders - it doesn't matter, they are all old by any standard.
Why thank you very much for spitting right in my face. Especially after I made a point of discussing that I'm still capable of learning more and more about racism, even when I'm old. There's no reason Sanders can't either, ffs.
 
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In the same article he gets credit for Obama's work, and Sanders gets criticism for suggesting Joe has gotten credit for Obama's work.

He also gets credit for getting unnamed stuff done. If it were to be named it would be "stuff for banks," but yeah, I suppose he got stuff done.
No, I'm afraid I don't think that's an accurate summary.

Michael Harriot gives Biden credit for having supported and worked with Obama as part of his administration to bring about ACA.

He also criticises Sanders for seeming to suggest -- erroneously, in his view -- that Biden's support and assistance to Obama played no significant role in passing ACA and that black voters are mistakenly giving credit to Biden for a partial victory by Obama that, in Sanders' view, belongs to Obama alone and which his VP had no hand in bringing about.

That's not the same thing at all.
 
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I'm black, fuck you very much.
You are also a stated immigrant. I do not know how long have been here, but are you absolutely comfortable in deriding, in particular, older black Americans for their choices? I think it's pretty shitty to attack them for trusting in a man like Jim Clyburn, though you seem more than willing to believe that is the ONLY reason they chose to vote as they have, not that it was merely a factor.

As for white politicians getting black votes for years without giving anything in return, your man Bernie doesn't look very good at all. HIs own constituents had this to say.

Vermont’s Black Leaders: We Were ‘Invisible’ to Bernie Sanders

As recently as November, he has not impressed with his answers regarding dwb and what one should do when pulled over by an officer. He has not fared well when faced with BLM activists, either. Even now, he is out courting primarily white Trump voters on Fox rather than committing time to visit with black leaders and voters. Not a good look, at all.

THE CURIOUS CASE OF BERNIE SANDERS AND BLACK VOTERS | AFROPUNK

Also, that 1994 Crime Bill? Bernie signed it. I reckon that makes him part of the hated "establishment" who are corrupt.

While believing that a "rising tide lifts all boats" may be laudable, it is historically inaccurate. White people have always found a way to make sure that black folks weren't able to profit from such programs or policies. He should know that. He comes with an incredibly older, white male view of the world. Many things are just plain invisible to him or he chooses to not see and far too often it is the latter.
 
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Sometimes, like today, American politics feels more like a religion. Trump is just a man, who I feel the Democrats have spent 4 years investing an incredible amount of negative energy turning him into a supernatural demon. So now we're dealing with the devil and his following. Everyone is suspect who even remotely tries to humanize the opposition. We are in a church right now. We need to be respectful.
Monumental fuckup != supernatural demon.

 
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I’m trying to imagine being so up your own ass that you’re comfortable tossing out the statement that black Americans who lived through the era when they could be beaten or worse for exercising their rights, lack the courage to vote their convictions. All because they don't want to vote for the guy whose followers and campaign staff boo and mock civil rights heroes.

jfc
 

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Bloody hell. There is no better example of white male privilege than taking credit for policies the other people have worked towards for years, not doing any outreach, attacking the Democratic Party, and throwing a fucking fit because you don't get coronated as the savior of the party you refused to join. He spent the last three years doing sweet fuck all in outreach or coalition building. Sanders is fucking lazy and entitled and blames the establishment and nefarious forces for his own fucking inability to put in the work. You think Biden didn't earn any votes? At least he reaches out and builds bridges. He isn't the best possible Democratic candidate, but he's been in the trenches while Sanders fucking lectures us.
 

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Good of you to whitesplain that.
But you are also a stated immigrant. I do not know how long have been here, but are you absolutely comfortable in deriding, in particular, older black Americans for their choices? I think it's pretty shitty to attack them for trusting in a man like Jim Clyburn, though you seem more than willing to believe that is the ONLY reason they chose to vote as they have, not that it was merely a factor.

As for white politicians getting black votes for years without giving anything in return, your man Bernie doesn't look very good at all. HIs own constituents had this to say.

Vermont’s Black Leaders: We Were ‘Invisible’ to Bernie Sanders

As recently as November, he has not impressed with his answers regarding dwb and what one should do when pulled over by an officer. He has not fared well when faced with BLM activists, either.

THE CURIOUS CASE OF BERNIE SANDERS AND BLACK VOTERS | AFROPUNK

Also, that 1994 Crime Bill? Bernie signed it. He comes with an incredibly older, white male view of the world and while believing that a "rising tide lifts all boats" may be laudable, it is historically inaccurate. White people have always found a way to make sure that black folks weren't able to profit from such programs. He should know that. He comes with an incredibly older, white male view of the world. Many things are just plain invisible to him or he chooses to not see.

And this is an example of what's wrong with the party. Instead of having a discussion on the substance of what I was talking about, whether I was right or wrong or had any merit in my point of view, this person tried to discredit me for what she perceived was my identity. And now Jolene is using my status as an immigrant to try to invalidate my position, instead of addressing Antonio Moore's positions head on. This is partly why we can't have honest conversations about the status of black people in this country.

The focus on Bernie Bros was a distraction to make Sanders seem like he wasn't a real advocate for women, and that he's somehow racist as Beebo went and insinuated. Biden has a long history of innate racist views, no vision, and he gets a pass because he's a party insider. This identity politics, weaponizing race and sex and party to shut down the discussion of class, is why black people don't get any meaningful economic policy. LGBTQ+ have specific policy goals and a lot of them have been achieved (work isn't done yet). Latinos have people actively advocating on immigration issues, although those are not their only issues. Feminists are out there for women's bodily autonomy and equal pay. Where's the Democratic Party's platform to help black people?

Bernie was excoriated because his rhetoric wasn't good enough even when he shared and advocated those values for 40+ years, when his policies would have done the meaningful work of putting more money and power in people's hands. I understand that Bernie's view of class is apparently singular, and his policies still have a point even if it's not totally correct. Antonio Moore is right that Bernie needed to come with a black agenda. A SPECIFIC black agenda on top of his policies that will overwhelmingly help a lot of black people and specifically black WOMEN. For all the failures of his rhetoric, the math still dictates that his policies would still do more to help black people because of their class than anyone else. Going to ados101.com, you would see that Bernie's policies would address somewhere around half of those demands for a black agenda.

That crime bill? He explained why he signed it, even though he had deep misgivings about the racial profiling that he expected. It had the Violence Against Women Act in it and the assault weapons ban. If he didn't, you'd weaponize it to say he's sexist and was pro-gun. He can't win.

Liberals love to throw around words like "privilege" but they're apparently fine with the system of token representation, that having a few people in the black community who become millionaires or upper middle class is okay. The Joy Reids of the world, who make more than double Bernie Sanders' wealth every year for being on TV, the black talking heads who happily go on tv to induce more white guilt out of the liberal class. Andrew Yang was right when he said that having disposable income is what gives people a voice. Who actually came with policies to meaningfully do that? Bernie, Warren, Yang, Williamson. Dinky tax credits for people who already have some wealth wasn't going to cut it. Baby bonds was an interesting idea, but it is not enough.

I will call a spade a spade. Blacks don't have any good advocates inside their party home. That's my opinion, I am entitled to it.
 

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Bloody hell. There is no better example of white male privilege than taking credit for policies the other people have worked towards for years, not doing any outreach, attacking the Democratic Party, and throwing a fucking fit because you don't get coronated as the savior of the party you refused to join. He spent the last three years doing sweet fuck all in outreach or coalition building. Sanders is fucking lazy and entitled and blames the establishment and nefarious forces for his own fucking inability to put in the work. You think Biden didn't earn any votes? At least he reaches out and builds bridges. He isn't the best possible Democratic candidate, but he's been in the trenches while Sanders fucking lectures us.
Bernie cannot sin, he can only be sinned against. Anyone who doesn’t follow in the faith Is a low information neolib shill...something something...