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Yikes. Half my company will be home tomorrow to test remote work and the other half Friday. I am not sold that that is a real test. You can always find a task that works for a day, especially in jobs with meetings and the like, especially with advance notice. The real test would be a week or so because you will run out of the easytoremote tasks and probably need to talk to people as well.
 

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Well Governor Inslee of Washington state just was on tv declaring an executive order banning all social gatherings of 250 people or more in 3 major counties of Washington state - King, Pierce & Snohomish. That includes weddings, funerals, concerts, sports events, churches, parades, fund raising, etc. At this point the only ones exempt from this rule are airports, schools & casinos. They're still talking with the various tribes that own the casinos about what to do there tho they've already taken a hit financially as have almost all other business from hair stylists to hotels. They have told the schools that at this point it's up to their school districts whether to close or not but to think ahead for the possibility that closures will be mandatory & to think about what to do with all those kids & their schooling for possibly months. OH and they also said that they advise people NOT to go to hospitals, doctors or clinics unless they absolutely have to. In other words they advise against visiting people in the hospitals & nursing homes & against having elective surgery & exams done. I've never seen any time where advice like that has been given out in the US.

Oh and of course a lotta people are now pissed off cause their sports are being curtailed. After all it's March Madness time & sports fans don't take kindly to their football, basketball, soccer, etc. being cut off.

ETA - Those 3 counties are the ones that have the largest cities (Seattle & Tacoma) & have had multiple cases of the virus & deaths from it.
 
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I live north of Seattle in Skagit County & there are people here pulling their kids from school too. Yesterday the schools announced that they'd be cancelling all school sports & events for an unknown period of time. We had our first confirmed case of the virus yesterday in this county.
 

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We had out first confirmed case of the virus yesterday in this county.
At the office this morning, our director told me that the first case in the city was confirmed late yesterday for a teacher in the local high school. It hasn't been publicly announced yet, but my director's wife works at the hospital so she heard the results right away. My next thought was that he's a direct vector for infection thru his wife, who is on the front-lines of the healthcare system.

So yeah, working from home starting next week. It's getting a bit too hot around here already.
 

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This morning on NPR I heard that 3 TSA agents in San Jose airport have been confirmed for COVID-19. Think about the contact tracing.... Yeah, containment is no longer a viable option. This is now mitigation stage.
It is past contact tracing. There is no 100% containment. Not by far.
Here there was a test last weekend in 4 hospitals in the province with the highest infection numbers. To find out more about the actual spreading of the virus.
They tested all the staff that was at work. No one had symptoms. But still: Bang: a little over hundred infected found.

I think we are very close to stage 2: no longer the focus on containment, but the focus on trying to slow down the infection (ban on events, people with flue like symptoms have to stay home, no hand shaking, restrict use of train, bus and tram, working from home as much as possible etc), so that the medical system won't collapse (if we are lucky).
 
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While Trump is still playing trade war with China, China donated vast quantities of medical equipment on top of an order to Italy for free:

Not like China had any plans on using them... All part of China trying to help people forget that it started with them. Also why the big hard push to say COVID-19 instead of Wuhan, granted that helps ease the stigma on people living in Wuhan. My personal belief is that China's reported numbers are a third of what they really are.

Good to see WHO finally call this what it has been for over a month, a pandemic. We're 30 days behind the ball right now but with the sharing amongst the scientific community on the global scale, we'll be caught up in 45 days and, imo, we'll see the first wave die off (bad choice of words, sorry) in 90 days. Now let us hope that we don't get additional waves like we did in 1918.
 

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The inevitable battle between commerce and public health:
Coronavirus a threat to Florida’s tourism, elderly population
“I think people will still want to come down here,” said Blake Papalia, a local real estate agent sunning himself on Palm Beach. “It’s clean, it’s safe and people still want to come to Florida and decompress. My Airbnb is booked every day six months in advance, and nobody is canceling.”

His friend, Ava Nicole, sitting in the sand next to him, chimed in: “The media is really pumping up the fear.”

That kind of beach-life complacency has been coming up against what Florida health officials and government leaders say is a major threat to the nation’s third-largest state, where a quarter of the population is older than 60, and where many people have chronic illnesses that make them more vulnerable to the serious effects of the new pathogen. In the worst-case scenario, the state’s health system could be woefully overloaded.
 
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Inside the italy Coronavirus Front Lines

This is a pretty horrifying picture from a country that has a very highly ranked health care system. We can expect similar situations in most of our "hot spots", or areas where we have the larger concentrations of infections.

She said: "There are a lot of young people in our Intensive Care Units (ICUs) - our youngest is a 38-year-old who had had no comorbidities (underlying health problems).
"A lot of patients need help with breathing but there are not enough ventilators.
"They've told us that starting from now we'll have to choose who to intubate - priority will go to the young or those without comorbidities.
"At Niguarda, the other big hospital in Milan, they are not intubating anyone over 60, which is really, really young."
 

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This is something useful that I've been wondering about. Also unanswered is how long it might live on food surfaces and at what temperatures it would be killed.

Virus can live in the air for several hours

Their work, published Wednesday, doesn’t prove that anyone has been infected through breathing it from the air or by touching contaminated surfaces, researchers stress.
“We’re not by any way saying there is aerosolized transmission of the virus,” but this work shows that the virus stays viable for long periods in those conditions, so it’s theoretically possible, said study leader Neeltje van Doremalen at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
 

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Inside the italy Coronavirus Front Lines

This is a pretty horrifying picture from a country that has a very highly ranked health care system. We can expect similar situations in most of our "hot spots", or areas where we have the larger concentrations of infections.
The problem is that our politicians are sitting on their hands, while the politicians in Korea took the hard decisions, stocked up on masks etc, built local testing stations. If I were in any position to influence policy, I'd have shut down the schools and universities two weeks ago, and turned them into hospitals, cancelled all non urgent surgery and sent the patients home, and started to train nurses to intubate patients etc. I'd have organised local deliveries for elderly people, and food for families who rely on free school meals to feed their children.

We still have football games, despite a person testing positive in Cheltenham, the Cheltenham racing event is taking place this week, and locally big events at the racecourse are still continuing. I live with someone who works in an hotel, my adult children go to supermarkets etc several times a week.

The Prime Minister and his merry men, despite attending an event with Nadine Dorries, who has tested positive with covid-19, is not self-isolating nor being tested.
 

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Yikes. Half my company will be home tomorrow to test remote work and the other half Friday. I am not sold that that is a real test. You can always find a task that works for a day, especially in jobs with meetings and the like, especially with advance notice. The real test would be a week or so because you will run out of the easytoremote tasks and probably need to talk to people as well.
You ever see Sleep Dealer? It's a movie about Mexicans telecommuting into robots in America, to do construction and warehouse work, while American airmen telecommute to Mexico in attack drones to kill terrorists, kinda. Great movie. It really explores how that kind of tech disconnects us, but connects us at the same time. I digress...

Your post just made me think about that movie. I wonder if companies will start developing high quality drone telecommuting after corona, or after a similar pandemic. Why bother with vaporware AI when you can have a real human controlling the robot, from the safety of their own home?
 

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Not like China had any plans on using them... All part of China trying to help people forget that it started with them. Also why the big hard push to say COVID-19 instead of Wuhan, granted that helps ease the stigma on people living in Wuhan. My personal belief is that China's reported numbers are a third of what they really are.
It's not like China won a contest to be the start of this, is it? Although we don't know where this virus originally comes from, we only know at the moment that this pandemic started there. Next time something like this breaks out in Washington or Toronto let's just call it using those names, shall we? Oh joy oh joy!

And meanwhile people are dying in many countries due to this, not only in China. It is what it is: help for Italy. And parts of your comment are really borderline toxic.
 

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I think we are very close to stage 2: no longer the focus on containment, but the focus on trying to slow down the infection (ban on events, people with flue like symptoms have to stay home, no hand shaking, restrict use of train, bus and tram, working from home as much as possible etc), so that the medical system won't collapse (if we are lucky).
yes, this is the message that has been tried to get across to the population here in Germany for the past few days
1. we can't stop the virus. We must do everything we can to slow the rate at which the virus spreads.
2. we must protect the vulnerable groups (the elderly, people with certain diseases)

3. We do what we can. But it is a task for the whole of society, everyone must help, also by changing behaviour, sometimes even by renouncing.

So the national health minister, so virologists and national health organisations and today then also the Federal Chancellor Merkel
And thank God: all pull together

here is also a debate as to whether all schools should close nationwide.
Most people are against it, because it doesn't bring much, but it makes problems elsewhere.
Many parents are working: who will look after the children? Then parents have to be pulled out of the work process, e.g. also nurses, doctors are oftn parents. Grandparents should not care for the children, because grandparents, as risk persons, are infected by the children.

I have read that children are infected to the same extent as adults, children do not usually get sick, but infected children produce an above-average number of viruses. That is probably reliable knowledge. If they are more infectious because of this, is not yet known. Or I have not been able to determine that.

I am not very familiar with other countries. But I have the impression that at least that the neighbouring European countries here have a more or less similar view of the current situation
 
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I have read that children are infected to the same extent as adults, children do not usually get sick, but infected children produce an above-average number of viruses. That is probably reliable knowledge. If they are more infectious because of this, is not yet known. Or I have not been able to determine that.
But they hardly spread the virus, because they don't get ill. At least that is what my doctor told me when I saw her earlier this week for a consultation.
 

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U.S. Government: "The coronavirus is highly contagious and an epidemic and it must be stopped. Quarantine yourself if you are sick."

Also the U.S. Government: "But if you miss work to avoid spreading the disease, you're on your own because we won't be helping you"


 

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In response to Sid:

That may not be entirely true, and is most certainly unproven at this point.

Coronavirus Updates

A new study examined 9 people with the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2. The researchers wanted to understand virus shedding (when the virus leaves its host) during illness to determine how infectious the disease may be.
Conducted by German researchers, though not yet peer-reviewed, the findings suggest that viral shedding occurred in high levels from the throat during early phases of illness for the patients studied.
However, the rate of shedding dropped after the fifth day in all patients except for two experiencing signs of pneumonia. They continued to shed COVID-19 at high levels until the 10th or 11th day, according to researchers.
“The present study shows that COVID-19 can often present as a common cold-like illness. SARS-CoV-2 can actively replicate in the upper respiratory tract, and is shed for a prolonged time after symptoms end, including in stool,” the study authors wrote.
 
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But they hardly spread the virus, because they don't get ill. At least that is what my doctor told me when I saw her earlier this week for a consultation.
No, this is not true. They can get ill, they just get such a mild version that the symptoms are masked. Which makes them especially deadly for grandparents, who ARE at risk.

In the articles I was reading today, warnings to vulnerable seniors included the strong warning to restrict contact with children.
 
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But they hardly spread the virus, because they don't get ill. At least that is what my doctor told me when I saw her earlier this week for a consultation.
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as I said, I have found no information about a study on the extent to which children pass on the virus.

It seems that they produce a much higher number of viruses...there at least is a study,
But there is also no indication anywhere that the virus changes or becomes less contagious in the child's organism. And the dear little ones, sneeze, cough, spit even more than adults so mayb the spread the virus more? but that is unknown , I think

I think that, like so much else concerning Corona, is currently unproven
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The knowledge about Corona virus is developing. is changing., at the moment often within a few days... there is no textbook about Corona
...and even the individual doctor, even if he or she is very good, cannot always be up to date.

So on a practical level: I would not rely on the fact that grandpa and grandma can rarely be infected by their grandchildren.

Alles Mist, Scheiss-Corona
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as I just see Beebo reports about a more recent publication, about how much kids can spread the virus
 
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