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Beebo Brink

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I just looked up my local hospital -- there's only one in our town -- and it has a 169-bed capacity, with 20 beds in critical care. Our population is about 17,500 people.

With the assumptions built into the chart above: if there's just 1 infected person in town right now, by the end of May we could have 2,458 critically ill residents, with 328 deaths. Going to the larger cities around us for help wouldn't be feasible, since most likely we'll be catching the wave later rather than earlier. By the time we start exceeding capacity, every city around us would most likely already be in full-blown crisis.

So here's hoping the critical/fatality rate is actually much lower than 2% and/or the progression is slower than 5 days for every doubling.
 

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From Twitter... it doesn't want to let me post it for some reason, so I'm copy pasting:

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Jason Van Schoor @jasonvanschoor

From a well respected friend and intensivist/A&E consultant who is currently in northern Italy:
1/ ‘I feel the pressure to give you a quick personal update about what is happening in Italy, and also give some quick direct advice about what you should do.
2/ First, Lumbardy is the most developed region in Italy and it has a extraordinary good healthcare, I have worked in Italy, UK and Aus and don’t make the mistake to think that what is happening is happening in a 3rd world country.
3/ The current situation is difficult to imagine and numbers do not explain things at all. Our hospitals are overwhelmed by Covid-19, they are running 200% capacity
4/ We’ve stopped all routine, all ORs have been converted to ITUs and they are now diverting or not treating all other emergencies like trauma or strokes. There are hundreds of pts with severe resp failure and many of them do not have access to anything above a reservoir mask.
5/ Patients above 65 or younger with comorbidities are not even assessed by ITU, I am not saying not tubed, I’m saying not assessed and no ITU staff attends when they arrest. Staff are working as much as they can but they are starting to get sick and are emotionally overwhelmed.
6/ My friends call me in tears because they see people dying in front of them and they con only offer some oxygen. Ortho and pathologists are being given a leaflet and sent to see patients on NIV. PLEASE STOP, READ THIS AGAIN AND THINK.
7/ We have seen the same pattern in different areas a week apart, and there is no reason that in a few weeks it won’t be the same everywhere, this is the pattern:
8/ 1)A few positive cases, first mild measures, people are told to avoid ED but still hang out in groups, everyone says not to panick 2)Some moderate resp failures and a few severe ones that need tube, but regular access to ED is significantly reduced so everything looks great
9/ 3)Tons of patients with moderate resp failure, that overtime deteriorate to saturate ICUs first, then NIVs, then CPAP hoods, then even O2. 4)Staff gets sick so it gets difficult to cover for shifts, mortality spikes also from all other causes that can’t be treated properly.
10/ Everything about how to treat them is online but the only things that will make a difference are: do not be afraid of massively strict measures to keep people safe,
11/ if governments won’t do this at least keep your family safe, your loved ones with history of cancer or diabetes or any transplant will not be tubed if they need it even if they are young. By safe I mean YOU do not attend them and YOU decide who does and YOU teach them how to.
12/ Another typical attitude is read and listen to people saying things like this and think “that’s bad dude” and then go out for dinner because you think you’ll be safe.
 

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More from Italy. If this is our future, we're in for a nightmare.


NIV = non-invasive ventilation

Everyone with any medical background (orthopedists, pathologists) are being pulled into service as the front-line healthcare workers are overwhelmed.
My spouse and I have happened to have to go to various doctors for different unrelated things the past few weeks. Every once in awhile someone will come in coughing but that is about it. When it really hits the fan those places are going to be a nightmare.

Hmm, I just thought of something. Before this blew up I scheduled an appointment with a new doctor just to establish care and it happens to be an urgent care facility too. Now I am wondering what to do on it, maybe get a medical check for this stuff now and schedule routine things for later.

At least my next two doctor visits are my neurologist and an endocrinologist. Not two specialties that will probably get overrun more than usual.
 

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UK: Health minister and Conservative MP Nadine Dorries says she has tested positive for coronavirus.

Health minister and Conservative MP Nadine Dorries says she has tested positive for coronavirus.

She said in a statement that as soon as she was informed she took all the advised precautions and had been self-isolating at home.

It comes as a sixth person died from the virus in the UK, which has a total of 382 cases.

The latest person to die was a man in his early 80s who had underlying health conditions.

GPs are warning routine appointments at surgeries may have to stop as the number of coronavirus cases rises.
Health minister tests positive for coronavirus
 

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I just looked up my local hospital -- there's only one in our town -- and it has a 169-bed capacity, with 20 beds in critical care. Our population is about 17,500 people.

With the assumptions built into the chart above: if there's just 1 infected person in town right now, by the end of May we could have 2,458 critically ill residents, with 328 deaths. Going to the larger cities around us for help wouldn't be feasible, since most likely we'll be catching the wave later rather than earlier. By the time we start exceeding capacity, every city around us would most likely already be in full-blown crisis.

So here's hoping the critical/fatality rate is actually much lower than 2% and/or the progression is slower than 5 days for every doubling.
The hospital size sounds about right. I used to work in one in Harrisonburg and it was 350 beds for the whole area. When they rebuilt it at one point they cut the number of beds in half.
 

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From Oct of 2019 but somewhat timely and informative regarding aspects that we don't normally think about.

 
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Many of the people who don't have paid sick leave get everything refunded anyway, so a tax credit will be utterly meaningless and unhelpful to them.
You saying they should go with tax cuts? 🤪
 

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Many of the people who don't have paid sick leave get everything refunded anyway, so a tax credit will be utterly meaningless and unhelpful to them.
Payroll taxes, not income tax. That includes Medicare, Unemployment, and Social Security, which are the largest taxes on low wage workers, as well as major taxes on employers.
 

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Payroll taxes, not income tax. That includes Medicare, Unemployment, and Social Security, which are the largest taxes on low wage workers, as well as major taxes on employers.
That sounds better - but are those taxes actually cancelled, or merely deferred?
 

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Last time they did this under Obama during the financial crisis, they were canceled. Which does not help me much, as I work for the state and I don't pay into social security.
 
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